What about Terry McGee Flute?

After reading the tread about McGee plans of the Pratten, I’ve been passing through Terry’s site for the second time this weekend since it’s so interesting! His flutes look so good! And he looks like he knows almost everything about this marvellous stick!

But it brings a question to my head: why don’t we hear more about his flute on the forum? His list seems quite long by the way…

And when we hear about respected makers, we hear of Olwell, Hammilton, Ormiston, Grinter … etc … but rarely about Mc Gee…why?

Any of you have one?

Speak friend and enter.

François

Talk about particular brands of flutes seems to go in cycles around here, and indeed there has been much discussion and praise of Terry McGee’s fine instruments here in the past. Have you used the search function?

I’d love to have a go at the flute he modeled after Grey Larsen’s, but it’s not in the budget at the moment

Loren

Ditto on Loren’s comment. McGee’s flutes are well-discussed and respected. I have a brilliant headjoint for my Rudall original (and AWESOME repair job) done by him. Give him a call or send him an e-mail–unlike some other makers, he might send you a flute to try before buying.

G

I’d definitely include Terry in the “well respected” category. I have one of his short foot Rudall Carte models and I couldn’t be more happy.

I have had a McGee flute for a month or so. It´s my first flute so I can not judge it against other instruments but I guess I´m a picky character whatever that may be worth, and I like it a lot.

It´s a keyless R&R refined in boxwood and it´s a very nice instrument.

Oh, I´ve had the Europ RAF at home for a week this spring and that one was very lovely as well.

Try to get on the list for the RAF and see what you think about it.

/Peter

Oh… one of the things that made me go with McGee was that I did listen to Eskin´s soundclips and much prefered the sound of the McGee compared to the other flutes.

After the week with the RAF the choice was “easy” since the RAF was easy to play even for a total newbie for me and the sound was… how ya´say it… loooverly? :wink:

Thanks Eskin :slight_smile:

/Peter

(Homer Simpson Voice) Mmm, Boxwood…


Loren

I’d love to try out a McGee.
I’m in Sweden as well. Will have to sign up for the RAF.
Now I have no idea if this is true, but I’ve heard that McGee flutes are often very pure in sound, and that Terry has deliberately gone for this sound. Some people have told me that it doesn’t really have that growling, reedy sound as a result of this. Anyone who now, please reply.
Cheers

I took a lesson from Grey Larson recently. He showed
me his flute that Terry’s model is made after.
I asked him if it sounds like Grey’s. He assured
me that he had played it and it did. Terry is
very well regarded.

Jim, and Loren
I’ve been eyeing that Grey Larson Flute on Terry’s website. I’d love to try it.
I currently play a small hole RR Flute and by that I mean the 5th hole from the embochure is 5/8". The Larsen Flute is exactly that as well and if it plays as effortlesly as my RR Flute it would be a Flute I would be very interested in.
Jim, what was the Larsen Flute like to play?
Ben

I don’t like very much Terry McGee’s flutes,especially his latest designs.
I owned one of his instruments for a while, so mine is not a superficial
point of view. I think they lack in balance,resistance and deepness of tone.
Some nuances of tone can’t be obtained with his modern blowholes IMO.
My fault was ordering this flute before my first trip to Ireland, only later
I discovered that he’s almost totally unknown there, and that’s not a good
praise for him I think.Other flute makers from abroad such as Mike Grinter
or Patrick Olwell are very well known and respected in Ireland.
on the other hand he has a quite long waiting list nowadays, so there is
plenty of people (but nobody in Ireland) who like his work, and that’s good
for him.he seemed to me a very friendly person while waiting my flute,
and he replied promptly each and every time I asked him a question.
last but not least that’s only my opinion, and I respect completely people
who have different thoughts.I’m not interested in useless and unpleasant
polemics.
regards
michel

Well, thanks everybody for reply!

Here there is new points of view about Terry’s flutes and that’s very interesting!

Flute makers in this big world are so few that I want to know as much as possible about each of them.

OT, Terry still have the best flute pictures!

Yes, I bought my McGee 6 key Pratten a few years ago on the basis of his web site. Since I live in an area where, as far as I know, I’m the only simple system player in the state - I couldn’t very well try out different flutes. I figured that anybody who was as meticulous as he is about the information and research on his web site would be a careful craftsman. Besides, if I didn’t like the flute I could always sell it (for more than I paid as an added bonus). Well, this is my baby! It fits me perfectly and I wouldn’t let it go. I have since played a Wilkes and Olwell and found them all in the same ballpark (each with different nuances).

Clark

I find that an interesting comment. So many really good flute makers are not known at all in Ireland, but that’s also part of the marketing these guys do. Both Olwell and Grinter go to Ireland with flutes for the players to try, talk to them, and essentially network. I am surprised that Terry donesn’t do more, since he’s so gregarious by nature. Peter Noy is also like this–doesn’t network with players.

Being from the US but living in China, I never played a Sam Murray flute and in other parts of the world he is not as well known–but so many of the Irish players play his flutes. He is Irish and makes a darn good flute that great players play.

That you don’t see pros give credit to the McGees, Noys, Camerons and Byrnes of the world in no way is a question of their quality. Actually, you don’t even see many Irish playing Wilkes flutes, and he’s just across the pond from Ireland.

Grinter flutes are far from gravely, like the prattens many of the Irish love, but I having Crawford give him so much credit has made him a name. And he’s in Ireland right now as a matter of fact, networking and doing his magic. Grinter makes awesome R&R flutes from that one model he has. Can’t wait for mine in Cocus!

G

But in all fairness, McGee did travel to Ireland and the States with flutes to try and he has a roving flute being passed around and a huge website.
He probably does more marketing than most.
I only have what Michel aptly referred to as a superficial opinion of his flutes, only trying one on a couple of ocassions. Unfortunately, I found it to be lackluster and I hold a similiar opinion as Michel, although it was a big loud flute; nicely made but not my cup of tea. BTW, in no way did it resemble an R&R so it was really disappointing since he specifically refers to the model as “R&R improved” (or something like that). I failed to see improvement. He seems like a friendly personable guy and very innovative and enthusiastic in his work; but dangerously authorative.

Ireland is without any doubt the place in the world with the highest
standard of irish traditional flute playing.I think ordering a flute from a
maker well respected in Ireland is more sure than ordering a flute
from a maker well respected on the net (well,the best could be ordering
a flute by a maker well respected both in Ireland and in the net,after
having tried a bunch of flutes made by him, checked that his instruments
suit well both your taste and your nature, having talked in person with him
abt what are you searching in a flute…).
when I bought the McGee I was hurried abt getting a keyed (and very sad,
as a wonderful Sam Murray flute I was expecting from a friend in Madrid was
stolen during the shipping :cry: :cry:), and ordered it after trying only one flute
made by him. the first McGee I played impressed me a lot, it seemed very
responsive and quick.I realised that his flutes aren’t my cup of tea only after
a few months- I was getting too much overtones,and I wasn’t pleased with
the cross fing C tuning and with the overall balance etc…
all that said,now I play a flute made by Tom Aebi, who isn’t that well known
in Ireland, but his reputaton is growing a lot lately there. Even Michael Grinter
speeks very highly of his work, and during my last visit in Ireland lots of people
who tried my flute asked me Tom’s contacts.
before getting the Aebi I tried carefully 5 flutes made by him and made sure
that his flutes were closest possible to what I was searching.far better
than trusting in somebody else’s opinions. and Greg, believe me that I don’t think
that a flutemaker is good only because a pro plays his flutes.
I’ve met some musicians in Ireland who are as good as the pros, but
they prefer other kind of jobs. A freakin flute player I know works in a forniture shop,
another incredible musician I’ve met works as a teacher in a university, another is a carpenter…

btw Wilkes is very well known and respected in Ireland
and you can see his flutes played in sessions quite often.
ciao
michel

I sit in the middle of this latter discussion; no personal experience with McGee’s work, so I’ll stay out of that part, other than to say that his craftsmanship is very well respected, but his attempts to modernize or improve the works of originals have been met with mixed results and impressions.
g’s comment is right, though; whether or not a maker is popular in Ireland is not necessarily a valid point, for several reasons. Beyond marketing, which has a fair amount to do with it, there are cultural tastes to deal with; embouchure approaches and final tone outcome vary from region to region in Ireland, and change even more radically outside Ireland. So, unless your position is that if it isn’t precisely what they want in Co. Sligo it’s not any good, this test doesn’t really hold water. It seems McGee caters to the more forgiving embouchure, and this is something often viewed unfavorably in Ireland. That said, makers like Hamilton have eased their embouchures in recent years, and his popularity has soared in the States.
On another front, while 19th c. London models are widely appreciated, there’s a clear championing of makers such as Murray, Cotter and Hamilton out of Ireland itself; home team support, well deserved, but still, there may be something in there regarding Wilkes, out of England…
Olwell was accepted in the States a long time ago by great Irish players who live here; players like Rafferty have been ardent Olwell players for many many years, and Noy, Byrne, even McGee, are relative newcomers.
Lastly, famous players who chose one flute over another also bolster sales, where a lesser-known maker, unplayed (at least publically), by the famous, do not share this dubious advantage. Irish players like Crawford using a Grinter is a case in point. But an off-beat player, of mixed trad influences, like Viellon (sp?) playing Leharts, while certainly increasing interest elsewhere for this maker, has had far less impact, far as I know, in Ireland.
Unfortunately, IMO, this all boils down to the same old formula; not every flute maker, no matter how well crafted, makes the perfect flute for every player. I’ve played most of the flutes I’ve mentioned here, and all of them are well crafted, in tune and of the highest quality; I take a leap of faith to say that the ones I haven’t played – according to players I respect – fall into this same category. But playing a flute is a personal thing, how hard you wish to hit the embouchure, what kind of tone you want to, or do, create, better on some than others. So, to base my personal opinion on what players in Ireland want from their flutes (assuming, wrongly, probably, that they ALL want the same things) is a dangerous presumption.
Muddying the waters yet again,
Gordon

Michel and Gordon:

Excellent points, all!

gordon says “not every flute maker, no matter how well crafted, makes the perfect flute for every player”
I agree completely with that. Nothing is better than personal experience.
I wrote it in my latest post, while explaining how I choose my flute.

“So, to base my personal opinion on what players in Ireland want from their flutes (assuming, wrongly, probably, that they ALL want the same things) is a dangerous presumption”
surely not all want the same thing,as you say, but making a trip in Ireland,
going to session and talk with flute players you like is a good thing.and I don’t find anything presumtuous (sp?) in that.probably it depends in how
much serious you are abt the music, and I’m very serious. I like to sound as authentic as possible, and I’ve no problems at blowing properly in a traditional embouchure, that’s why I sold my old McGee.
ciao
michel

When I ordered my McGee (keyed Pratten), I was looking for a session flute, that will speak easily and have a big clear sound. I did not know much of Terry’s keywork. I have the flute now for a number of years and the flute never disappoints me, it’s the easiest flute to play (embouchure and finger wise), very quick response,
and I’ve never played a flute with a bigger voice (I’ve played and owned a number of other Pratten type flutes).
When I ordered his RI model, I was expecting a large holed Rudall type flute, but basically it was another: easy to play, big sound session flute, that lacked the tonal qualities that I was expecting from a R&R type flute.
It really proved to me that it’s 80% in the embouchure cut and head.
Terry’s work is very good, he is a problem solver, and very practical. for example, the keys are very solid, simple, conformable to use, and no matter how many times you pull them out, they always seal and work. That’s why I think of his Pratten as my reliable workhorse.
Hope this helps.
Have a nice day (just kidding - well, I do mean it though)