The flute looks very nice indeed, cocus and silver, but I know nothing of the quality of Thomas Glen’s instruments (dated around 1838) other than his bio here: http://www.thebagpipeplace.com/museum/page257.html
No mysteries, I bid on it after I saw this thread, and won the auction. I guess the price is at an edge, too much if the flute is not good or HP, or a good deal if it speaks well. Let’s hope for the second option
The measurement seemed short for modern pitch. I looked up the maker and the history of the shop (there’s also a published account-book). Seem to have been a well-known maker of bagpipes and chanters, with many examples currently in museums.
Yes, short-ish but not necessarily. There are flutes this long that are capable of playing at 440hz with a little effort. Let’s hope this is one of them, lately I’ve been practicing at lowering the pitch with my lips, maybe it will be enough.
I’ve tried some picture measurement, putting myself in various possible scenarios (like, overall length of 655mm assuming he also counted the pin coming out from the crown, or not, and measuring a little bit less or a little more than what showed on the ruler). Strangely enough, the C#-Eb indicator puts the flute into the low pitched flutes (!), the longest measure being 258, the shortest 252. The sounding length instead goes from a bit short (about 574mm) to a more reasonable 581mm.
Does it mean that the maker made the head a bit short compared to the length of the body (given that the measurement is good enough)?
I see you got it Othannen, nice to know where it’s going. I’ll take a little fee for that, let’s say some nice soundbites of the flute when it’s ready? as well as other remarks on it?
So Othannen found the auction (and won it) after reading this thread… thanks for posting Thalatta! Oh well, should have put in a higher maximum bid. At least it went to a chiffer. Congratulations on a real bargain Othannen!
I too thought it looked a little short, especially the LH joint, though this just by comparing it to my Butler flute. But the head joint seemed longer than usual (to me anyway) so perhaps that compensates it? Interesting flute indeed. Keep us posted!
Yes I guess you should thank Thalatta
And I was also very lucky (or not..) as I first bid £280 in the last 10 seconds but then my bid was outbid and I managed to bid again £300 in the very last second (and I thought there wasn’t enough time).
Anyway, you’re right, LH section a bit short, and headjoint a bit long (compared to my HY Potter).
But then what about my other measurements? Maybe it’s the footjoint that is shorter (this would be great, I think)?
I don’t have a long footjoint to compare it with, can anyone give me some measures (better if from an old flute)?
I thought I had it there for 285. My max bid was 295, and had there been time I’m sure I would have increased it.
Absolutely, no one wants a flat foot! And I don’t think this Glen flute will suffer much from that by the looks of it. If it’s any help the foot of my Butler flute (anno 1864ish) measures 146.5mm over all, distance to center of key holes from top Eb/D#: 36.5mm, C#: 68mm, C: 105mm. Hole diameters Eb: 10.8mm, C#:11.3mm, C: 9.8mm. Socket depth: 21mm. Bore diameter at top: 12.3mm, Bore at its narrowest before flare: 10.4mm, bore at bottom: 10.8mm. It’s got a very mild case of the flat foot syndrome and it’s easily corrected with the embouchure.
Yes, I realise I’ve signalled a couple of flutes on Ebay, and maybe people hate me!
By the way, on Ebay right now there’s a lovely Olwell with 8 keys by Wylde, cocuswood from Chris Wilkes’ backgarden, silver cast by Rudall AND Rose, and a bore dreamed by Matt Molloy himself, complete with chiff and fipple by Hamilton, McGee, Aebi, Casey Burns, Grinter, and everyone else… and no one has except myself has seen it!
Yes, the foot should be the same size or a bit shorter (2-3mm) than yours.
I checked the sounding length again, I got the wrong measures before! It’s a more promising 576-584mm. Ok, possibilities for a not too difficult 440hz are not too bad, fingers crossed now…