what are the reg names ????
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what are the reg names ????
According to the Leo Rowsome tutor the three regs are not called ,Bass ,Baritone and tenor,but are called Bass,tenor and treble,so have we been calling them by the wrong names all this time ???
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Its always been problematic for me, having been for years engrained to say: Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass...
I just cant get my mind around " Bass, Baritone, Tenor",
and almost ALWAYS call the middle reg & drone the Tenor...
Whenever I think of 'Baritone' its either this:
or this:
Contrabass reg..Sure!
Contrabass Sax...???
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Its always been problematic for me, having been for years engrained to say: Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass...
I just cant get my mind around " Bass, Baritone, Tenor",
and almost ALWAYS call the middle reg & drone the Tenor...
Whenever I think of 'Baritone' its either this:
or this:
Contrabass reg..Sure!
Contrabass Sax...???
NAAAAHHHH!!!
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Re: what are the reg names ????
Is the tenor/treble reg higher in pitch than the chanter? That's what I'd think the word 'treble' should indicate.rorybbellows wrote:According to the Leo Rowsome tutor the three regs are not called ,Bass ,Baritone and tenor,but are called Bass,tenor and treble,so have we been calling them by the wrong names all this time ???
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If it isn't, calling it tenor makes more sense--in that case, the chanter is the top voice playing the melody and the regs are the harmony voices below it.
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Life is circular as this forum is..i raised this point a while back see...(almost 4years to the week)so buck up Rory
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php ... le&start=0
and it started a bit of a debate shall we say.... Here is the start o it....
I was wondering why nobody has picked up on the incorrect terminology used on the Regulators and Drones..Commonly and wrongly called Bass Baritone and Tenor.
If we take the Regs.Bass 1st..the lowest note on this is the G(assuming it is in the concert pitch of D)which is in the same register as the G string on a fiddle,which is of course a treble instrument ,and not a Bass.It is also the 2nd string of a Viola which is an Alto instrument.the Correct term for the Bass Regulator is therefore Alto Regulator
The so called Baritone and Tenor Regs should be correctly called Trebles.The Chanter is a Treble instrument and the middle register of the Violin(treble)both regulators cover the 1st register of the chanter so they are Trebles.
On to the drones.Bass.Baritone.Tenor-wrong again..as one octave seperates each pipe it should be Bass-Tenor -Treble.
Confused?? So are these...
Leo Rowsome in his Tutor terms
Drones.Bass.-Middle-Tenor
Regs Bass-Tenor-Treble(ist mention of treble)
Clarke Tutor,Armagh Tutor and Vallelys Companion to Irish Music all use the following
Drones Bass-Baritone(1st mention of Baritone)-Tenor
Regs Bass -Baritone-Tenor
Clearly a difference betwixt Rowesome and the rest!!
It would be more correct to use the term Big Middle and Small on regulators and drones rather than the incorrect and confusing Baritone et al.
The terminology between flat and concert pitch sets also seems to be blurred.
Modern Concert Pitch(post pianoforte) is in D. C and Bb ,C and Bb are also concert pitch,although a lot of pipers erroneously think of C and Bb as flat sets.
Baroque Pitch(pre pianoforte) is C#(the D of its day) and B which are correctly termed flat sets,because they are flat of modern concert pitch.DCand Bb are not.
I hope this clears up any confusion ye may have had.
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http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php ... le&start=0
and it started a bit of a debate shall we say.... Here is the start o it....
I was wondering why nobody has picked up on the incorrect terminology used on the Regulators and Drones..Commonly and wrongly called Bass Baritone and Tenor.
If we take the Regs.Bass 1st..the lowest note on this is the G(assuming it is in the concert pitch of D)which is in the same register as the G string on a fiddle,which is of course a treble instrument ,and not a Bass.It is also the 2nd string of a Viola which is an Alto instrument.the Correct term for the Bass Regulator is therefore Alto Regulator
The so called Baritone and Tenor Regs should be correctly called Trebles.The Chanter is a Treble instrument and the middle register of the Violin(treble)both regulators cover the 1st register of the chanter so they are Trebles.
On to the drones.Bass.Baritone.Tenor-wrong again..as one octave seperates each pipe it should be Bass-Tenor -Treble.
Confused?? So are these...
Leo Rowsome in his Tutor terms
Drones.Bass.-Middle-Tenor
Regs Bass-Tenor-Treble(ist mention of treble)
Clarke Tutor,Armagh Tutor and Vallelys Companion to Irish Music all use the following
Drones Bass-Baritone(1st mention of Baritone)-Tenor
Regs Bass -Baritone-Tenor
Clearly a difference betwixt Rowesome and the rest!!
It would be more correct to use the term Big Middle and Small on regulators and drones rather than the incorrect and confusing Baritone et al.
The terminology between flat and concert pitch sets also seems to be blurred.
Modern Concert Pitch(post pianoforte) is in D. C and Bb ,C and Bb are also concert pitch,although a lot of pipers erroneously think of C and Bb as flat sets.
Baroque Pitch(pre pianoforte) is C#(the D of its day) and B which are correctly termed flat sets,because they are flat of modern concert pitch.DCand Bb are not.
I hope this clears up any confusion ye may have had.
Roddy how is Belfast and yes it was a full moon last night.
Slan go foill
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