Let's have a picture! (I mean, will you post a picture, please?)On 2002-10-31 17:58, BrassBlower wrote:
Anyone who thinks I AM a cutie-pie needs their eyes checked!
The BEHEMOTH Everybody on the Forum is (or has) a Cutie-Pie
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Man, I've been away from the church of my youth even longer than I realized.... This is the first mention I've yet heard of "Celtic Christianity". Heck, I was aghast when they went to the "new" Liturgy!!!On 2002-10-31 15:34, Redwolf wrote:
"La Vaquera"??? Ay yi yi!
The big thing hereabouts (at least in the circles in which I move) is to reinvent the early Celtic Christian Church to make it into a feminist, demi-pagan organization instead of the very Orthodox (in the capital "O" sense of the word...closely related to Eastern Orthodox) church that it was. I've learned to wince when I hear a fellow (oops! can I say that?) Episcopalian (almost always female) say she's into "Celtic Christianity," because I know that the "Celtic Christianity" she's referring to is little more than harp music (and maybe the odd whistle or two) and wishful thinking.
Oh, and by the way, if you suggest their history is off-kilter, you're being "intolerant." Evidently the First Amendment is now supposed to extend to rewritting history to your liking. Sigh!
Redwolf
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I'm actually just a little amazed that no one's posted anything here to tell the rest of you that you're horribly culturally insensitive, or sexist, or whatever.
It's interesting to me that you're all venting about this. I haven't ever lived further West than Texas, but wow, the stuff I've heard. I have a friend/colleague now who's from Montana who has lived in California, Oregon, and Washington and she's told me (can I say she?) about hissing when anything remotely constrewed as sexist, for example, is spoken in a meeting. I think it must be pretty bad because I heard someone originally from the East cost who now lives in SoCal say something along the lines of, "Now this young lady . . . hey, we're in the South, I can say that."
Two things about what you've said absolutely irk the crap out of me. (1) You don't make anything better by revising it into something it's not. I've looked at "modern" elementary school history books (I'm 30) and am absolutely amazed at the gymnastics done to give equal time to groups which probably didn't make as much contribution on the global scale as Old White Guys, but no one wants to talk about the contribution of Anglos anymore. (2) Political Correctness is absolutely, from every perspective, the biggest load of crap in the history of the world. You absolutely do NOT change what people think by changing the words they use, for one thing, and for another, you absolutely cannot imply that words have a fixed connotation. If you think someone can't say "African-American" with as much scorn as they might say "Black," or "woman" more scornfully or in a more insulting way than they say "chick," you're a simple-minded moron.
Whoo, guess the conversation touched a nerve. The one thing Political Correctness does is that it allows its adherents to stop listening to people and to ignore context. It's really an advancement in society. Right. Maybe I should just stay here in the South and cry during Gone with the Wind like everyone else.
Stuart
It's interesting to me that you're all venting about this. I haven't ever lived further West than Texas, but wow, the stuff I've heard. I have a friend/colleague now who's from Montana who has lived in California, Oregon, and Washington and she's told me (can I say she?) about hissing when anything remotely constrewed as sexist, for example, is spoken in a meeting. I think it must be pretty bad because I heard someone originally from the East cost who now lives in SoCal say something along the lines of, "Now this young lady . . . hey, we're in the South, I can say that."
Two things about what you've said absolutely irk the crap out of me. (1) You don't make anything better by revising it into something it's not. I've looked at "modern" elementary school history books (I'm 30) and am absolutely amazed at the gymnastics done to give equal time to groups which probably didn't make as much contribution on the global scale as Old White Guys, but no one wants to talk about the contribution of Anglos anymore. (2) Political Correctness is absolutely, from every perspective, the biggest load of crap in the history of the world. You absolutely do NOT change what people think by changing the words they use, for one thing, and for another, you absolutely cannot imply that words have a fixed connotation. If you think someone can't say "African-American" with as much scorn as they might say "Black," or "woman" more scornfully or in a more insulting way than they say "chick," you're a simple-minded moron.
Whoo, guess the conversation touched a nerve. The one thing Political Correctness does is that it allows its adherents to stop listening to people and to ignore context. It's really an advancement in society. Right. Maybe I should just stay here in the South and cry during Gone with the Wind like everyone else.
Stuart
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Heh heh, I have been labelled an English Studmuffin by one young lady who contributes to this board. I guess that's OK too.On 2002-10-31 15:28, JohnPalmer wrote:
Well, I grew up in So. Cal, close to the beach, where everyone was a "fox". I have since moved up to the Sacramento area, yet I didn't think anything about Jessie being called a cutie-pie. I really think most people would like to hear someone call them that. It's flattering.
JP
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that schwing
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Seriously, folks, I agree with the sentiment. There's a lot of good sense around here. I have a friend who has made a lot of enemies on the Cat Stevens board. The stuff he hears over there is amazing.
Political correctness really is a load of crap. I have no patience for the sort of people who think it's possible to tolerate and condone everything in the world except for not tolerating or condoning something. It ends up condemning everyone who actually has an opinion or belief.
Political correctness really is a load of crap. I have no patience for the sort of people who think it's possible to tolerate and condone everything in the world except for not tolerating or condoning something. It ends up condemning everyone who actually has an opinion or belief.
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To say nothing of those people who are trying to relate actual historical facts that the PC police don't want to hear and would rather change them to some fantasy that fits their version of reality better. Sounds almost like a psychologic disorder to me.Political correctness really is a load of crap. I have no patience for the sort of people who think it's possible to tolerate and condone everything in the world except for not tolerating or condoning something. It ends up condemning everyone who actually has an opinion or belief.
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OK, weekenders, that's IT!!!!! You can expect to hear from my lawyer some day.
Try working in an organization that THINKS it's undergone an epiphany. A few years back, the police department I worked in was hit with a couple of sexual harassment cases that were justified - this was serious stuff. As part of their organizational mea culpas (and to convince a federal judge of what good boys we were all now going to be), every male employee was forced to sit through a day of sexual harassment and diversity training (not only the two or three that had caused the problem but also the other 4000 or so - at taxpayer expense, of course).
A few months later a female coworker who was also a close friend was in my office with the door 3/4 closed. After finishing up the point of the meeting, we were chatting and trading good-natured insults. Another person, who barely knew either of us, passed by in the hall and filed harassment charges against me for "creating a hostile work environment".
It was patently ridiculus and everyone except this (insert appropriately derogatory noun here) knew it. Ne'ertheless, I was 'couseled' for it, although nothing ever went on the official record.
The organization? Of course it didn't really change - what would you expect?
Try working in an organization that THINKS it's undergone an epiphany. A few years back, the police department I worked in was hit with a couple of sexual harassment cases that were justified - this was serious stuff. As part of their organizational mea culpas (and to convince a federal judge of what good boys we were all now going to be), every male employee was forced to sit through a day of sexual harassment and diversity training (not only the two or three that had caused the problem but also the other 4000 or so - at taxpayer expense, of course).
A few months later a female coworker who was also a close friend was in my office with the door 3/4 closed. After finishing up the point of the meeting, we were chatting and trading good-natured insults. Another person, who barely knew either of us, passed by in the hall and filed harassment charges against me for "creating a hostile work environment".
It was patently ridiculus and everyone except this (insert appropriately derogatory noun here) knew it. Ne'ertheless, I was 'couseled' for it, although nothing ever went on the official record.
The organization? Of course it didn't really change - what would you expect?
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LOL! Believe it or not, that's the kind of "reality" we live with here. For example, you'd definitely get booed for saying you "bought" a doberman (Here you "adopt" them. And you're not their owner or master, you're their "guardians." That's actually legal language...in Santa Cruz, pet "owners" are legally known as "animal guardians." The funny thing is, I've been an animal rights activist for 15 years, and even I think that's just plain silly, but such is life in Baby Berkeley).On 2002-11-01 10:54, Wombat wrote:
I just went out and got myself a doberman. Hisss, boooo. Oops, sorry folks, I just went out and got a doberperson. Hisssss, boooo. Phew this is getting tough. I just went out and acquired a doberperoffspring. He's a cutie-pie too. Hiss, boooo. Oh, I give up.
And, of course, you'd also get lambasted for getting a purebred dog in any case. If you don't adopt a mixed-breed dog from the pound (and it better be a mixed breed...never mind that a fair number of purebreds end up in animal shelters too), you're an "elitist" who is contributing to the degradation of the canine species (and your dog is markedly inferior to "real" dogs).
Better not drive a large vehicle hereabouts either (even if you need one for your tribe of adopted doberbeings). Now, I'm no great fan of SUVs and vans as commuter vehicles either (unless one is carpooling or has a large family...oops, that's not politically correct either! Big families are out! And we're not supposed to have children anymore...we're supposed to adopt them -- preferably female -- from a third world country!), but if you drive one in downtown Santa Cruz, you're likely to be accosted by environmentalist wannabes who will plaster your vehicle with flyers and call you nasty names.
The other increasingly common thing you'll see here is the substitution of "womyn" or "wimmin" for "woman" or "women." So maybe you could get by with "dobermyn"...at least if you could convince people that your dog...er, that's the "other-than-human creature under your guardianship" is at least part something else as well. Just don't call him a cutie-pie! Hmmm...how about a "noble member of an exploited species?"
I love Santa Cruz...I really do. And, to be honest, its flakiness is one of the things I love about it. But sometimes the "political correctness" is enough to make me want to run screaming in the streets (which, of course, I have a perfectly legal and moral right to do, even at 3:00 a.m. in a residential area...).
Sigh!
Redwolf
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No one would ever call me a cutie-pie. A Moon-Pie maybe...
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