Don't worry about it. Someone over reacted to your post. You had repeatedly said that it was just your personal opinion. I think most people would have realised that though you were an experienced flutist you were probably relatively new to Irish music. Again, don't worry about it. Anyway now you know that finger vibrato is highly valued by many. It can be very expressive, is quite different from breath vibrato and is very common for whistlers and flutists to use who play ITM.benbrad wrote:I didn't realize how touchy people can be on almost any subject. I never meant to slander the Irish or anyone who uses finger vibrato. I was only giving my opinion after over 30 years of playing wind instruments. After seven semesters of music theory in college and playing the flute since I was a young boy I have formed what I think to be an informed opinion of how it works best. Anyone who has studied and practiced that much should be allowed their opinion. I thought I had done research but of course that is only my opinion. I now know I should keep it to myself and not comment on anything here even when opinions are asked for. Very Sorry. Please forgive me.
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Folk music is a different animal than classical music. While it may not be as strict and rigid as classical music or regimented traditions such as highland piping, it does have it's little nuances that make it what it is. That's not to say that other things don't cross over into it, but it certainly does not adhere to the same rules or even standards.
I am one that voted "or both" even though I mostly use finger vibrato. I use finger vibrato on everything from airs to jigs and reels, the technique works well for both since you can adjust how rapidly you move your fingers. The main difference between that and breath vibrato is, as mentioned earlier, it can be done very quickly. I use breath vibrato sparingly in airs when I want a more subtle effect, or on notes such as bottom D where finger vibrato cannot be executed.
BTW, my post was not intended to sound as angry as it did when I went back and read it just now, my apoligies if I offended.
I am one that voted "or both" even though I mostly use finger vibrato. I use finger vibrato on everything from airs to jigs and reels, the technique works well for both since you can adjust how rapidly you move your fingers. The main difference between that and breath vibrato is, as mentioned earlier, it can be done very quickly. I use breath vibrato sparingly in airs when I want a more subtle effect, or on notes such as bottom D where finger vibrato cannot be executed.
BTW, my post was not intended to sound as angry as it did when I went back and read it just now, my apoligies if I offended.
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Finger vibrato on high whistles (which are intolerant of sloppy breath vibrato technique).
Breath vibrato on low whistles (which are intolerant of sloppy finger vibrato technique).
Breath vibrato on low whistles (which are intolerant of sloppy finger vibrato technique).
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Of course, even because finger vibrators would denote a juxtaposition or rather a paradox...Cubitt wrote:In that case, it's definitely breath!izzarina wrote:I did tooWhistlin'Dixie wrote:I need more coffee...
I thought this was a thread about Vibrators...
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Haha. Gotta put some hardrock into the whistling world!Whitmores75087 wrote:Bruno, that's some hairdo!
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Bottom-line for me:
Sooner or later if you play whistle you may very well pick up the Irish flute,
which is one most beautiful instruments imaginable. The tone on an Irish flute,
as played by the Masters and taught by the teachers is steady, without any breath
vibrato. It really sounds better that way. Finger vibrato is the vibrato for that style of playing.
This is a contrast to classical flute.
If you have vibrato in your breath you will have to learn to get it out, if you're anything like me
that will take a major and sustained effort. So one might as well play whistle
without breath vibrato, because the alternative is to risk setting up
a major struggle later.
Sooner or later if you play whistle you may very well pick up the Irish flute,
which is one most beautiful instruments imaginable. The tone on an Irish flute,
as played by the Masters and taught by the teachers is steady, without any breath
vibrato. It really sounds better that way. Finger vibrato is the vibrato for that style of playing.
This is a contrast to classical flute.
If you have vibrato in your breath you will have to learn to get it out, if you're anything like me
that will take a major and sustained effort. So one might as well play whistle
without breath vibrato, because the alternative is to risk setting up
a major struggle later.