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Dymondwood
Dear Avery and Friends,
You’re right, of course, about the difficulties with Dymondwood. When we started using this material back in the Fall of ’02, we didn’t have this trouble. I believe all those instruments went out to happy homes without any returns. Sometimes I wonder if that particular batch of (amber) material was, by chance, unusually good. Maybe it was an act too hard for them to follow.
Meanwhile, we’re working with a new, different laminate with good results. So far so good, but I feel that a little caution is in order. We lost some customers, understandably because of bad material, and I want to be sure before making any more claims. To those of you who have stood by us, we thank you for trusting in us. I have worked very hard on the design issues, and I guess the production issues still need some work. The new stuff has a controlled process, meets mil specs, and undergoes rigorous testing (e.g., moisture permeability and temperature change), so already I’m more confident that the first batch will be like the next, and today’s whistle will be just as durable as tomorrow’s.
I’m the guy who chose the laminated material in the first place, and the reasons are still important:
1. It machines with precision, and this is very important for consistent playability of one instrument to the next, and
2. The finish is hard and durable, and
3. The whistles are easier to bring to completion while
4. It has some of the appearance of natural wood.
5. Also, I’m a little worried about the continued supply of instrument-grade materials. I can live without ivory, but the supply did indeed dry up a while back, and the world political situation tells me that blackwood could dry up, too. The laminate is a renewable resource, and I still think it’s important to prepare for the future. The new stuff is more expensive, but if it does the job, then it’s worth it.
I hope that I didn’t promise anyone that Dymondwood would be indestructible. It surely is not. I’m taking responsibility for the unhappy surprise of cracked instruments, and meanwhile, I ask everyone to care for any instrument as something to be cherished. For a lazy cruise down the Scantic River on an inner tube, I’ll be packing a Susato on a lanyard (and I hope George Kelischek is not offended).
If anyone has a problem, please let us know right away. Our apologies, and thank you for your patience.
Meanwhile, I hope we’ve made some happy musicians, and we’ll continue to make the Pro Whistle the best way possible.
Walt Sweet
You’re right, of course, about the difficulties with Dymondwood. When we started using this material back in the Fall of ’02, we didn’t have this trouble. I believe all those instruments went out to happy homes without any returns. Sometimes I wonder if that particular batch of (amber) material was, by chance, unusually good. Maybe it was an act too hard for them to follow.
Meanwhile, we’re working with a new, different laminate with good results. So far so good, but I feel that a little caution is in order. We lost some customers, understandably because of bad material, and I want to be sure before making any more claims. To those of you who have stood by us, we thank you for trusting in us. I have worked very hard on the design issues, and I guess the production issues still need some work. The new stuff has a controlled process, meets mil specs, and undergoes rigorous testing (e.g., moisture permeability and temperature change), so already I’m more confident that the first batch will be like the next, and today’s whistle will be just as durable as tomorrow’s.
I’m the guy who chose the laminated material in the first place, and the reasons are still important:
1. It machines with precision, and this is very important for consistent playability of one instrument to the next, and
2. The finish is hard and durable, and
3. The whistles are easier to bring to completion while
4. It has some of the appearance of natural wood.
5. Also, I’m a little worried about the continued supply of instrument-grade materials. I can live without ivory, but the supply did indeed dry up a while back, and the world political situation tells me that blackwood could dry up, too. The laminate is a renewable resource, and I still think it’s important to prepare for the future. The new stuff is more expensive, but if it does the job, then it’s worth it.
I hope that I didn’t promise anyone that Dymondwood would be indestructible. It surely is not. I’m taking responsibility for the unhappy surprise of cracked instruments, and meanwhile, I ask everyone to care for any instrument as something to be cherished. For a lazy cruise down the Scantic River on an inner tube, I’ll be packing a Susato on a lanyard (and I hope George Kelischek is not offended).
If anyone has a problem, please let us know right away. Our apologies, and thank you for your patience.
Meanwhile, I hope we’ve made some happy musicians, and we’ll continue to make the Pro Whistle the best way possible.
Walt Sweet
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I'd just like to add my two bits in support of Ralph and Walt.
They are a really class act. In my experience they have, without exception, honored their commitment to do their best to keep their (and my) customers happy. Keep up the good work fellas.
Doc
They are a really class act. In my experience they have, without exception, honored their commitment to do their best to keep their (and my) customers happy. Keep up the good work fellas.
Doc
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Well, I can't vouch for the Dymondwood whistles, but good old Sweetheart # 9350 (top & bottom numbers) still sounds as sweet as it did when I got it--about 8 years ago--from Thom Larson. That fine little D is made out of Maple, I believe. It was my first 'high end' whistle--costing, as I recall, all of $75.00 at the time, which may not even qualify it as 'high end' (dollarwise) by today's standards. It remains a fine whistle, as the Sweets remain fine folks who have been there for the flute and whistle playing community for some time and, I am sure, will be there for us for some time to come.
I do believe that impermanance is a characteristic of all things made by man.
Tom D.
I do believe that impermanance is a characteristic of all things made by man.
Tom D.
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Walt, good luck with the new batch. The whistles you and Ralph make are some of my favorites and I was posting as a warning. The Pro Ds are my favorite for those large sessions they have a good tone, good tuning, and can hold their own. The only whistle I use with more then 5-6 people. I really like them. I hope those who have the Dymondwood ones don't experience the same problems. I hope you guys come up with a solution.
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I'll second that, regarding my Resonance Low D. No problems whatsoever.King Friday wrote:My Pro D in Dymondwood is a wonderful instrument thats never given me any trouble.
Walt is sending me a piece of the new laminate material to try out, and I'll report back here.
I'll also second whoever it was that said that Ralph and Walt are a class act, and that they stand firmly behind whatever they make. I'd wholeheartedly recommend that anyone who tries a Pro D Dymondwood and loves it to go ahead and buy it.
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I own a Sweet fife made of some fruit wood. It has been abused and has stood up to some nasty environments. I bought it in '93 and have always thought of it as a well built piece. I must say that I have also e-mailed the Sweets and found their response to be above and beyond a simple yes/no response. They seem to like what they do and make a quality product. This batch of wood must have been a real thorn in their side.
"Be not deceived by the sweet words of proverbial philosophy. Sugar of lead is a poison."
1993! Yes I bought my first quality whistle that year when I visited the UK. It was (and still is) a Sweet maple D.I.D.10-t wrote: ............
I bought it in '93 and have always thought of it as a well built piece.
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Recently. flute maker, Mark Hoza, was so entranced by the finish on it that he rethreaded the tenon for me for free.
I wish you well in your projects Mr Sweet!
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I think I got my first Sweet about 10 years ago from Andy's Front Hall - I think it's walnut, #7296, top and bottom, but with a "typo" on bottom, where a 7 is started and a 6 done over it - in perfect shape and real pretty.Tom Dowling wrote:Well, I can't vouch for the Dymondwood whistles, but good old Sweetheart # 9350 (top & bottom numbers) still sounds as sweet as it did when I got it--about 8 years ago--from Thom Larson. That fine little D is made out of Maple, I believe. It was my first 'high end' whistle--costing, as I recall, all of $75.00 at the time, which may not even qualify it as 'high end' (dollarwise) by today's standards. It remains a fine whistle, as the Sweets remain fine folks who have been there for the flute and whistle playing community for some time and, I am sure, will be there for us for some time to come.
I do believe that impermanance is a characteristic of all things made by man.
Tom D.
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Hey Walt, I'd like to say this:
When I started getting Oz Whistles set up this time last year, my due dilligence included analysing every make of whistle stocked by every shop selling them.
The numbers showed that Sweetheart whistles were the most consistently stocked high-end wooden whistle globally. This kind of thing never happens by mistake.
SO Sweetheart was among the very first ports of call when I began investing. I am now entering my second year of business, the rent is payed and things are looking good. This is in no small part due to the excellent products and customer service provided by the whistle making fraternity, at the head of the list are Sweetheart.
My customers have appreciated the genuine attention payed to each and every whistle by you and your team - although there have been a few problems with materials, by and large the result has been happy whistlers. Not a single one had any issue with the tone, performance or playability of Pro and Resonance whistles. They continue to be one of my key offerings. Without your kind of comittment, good-will and attention to detail, folks like me would never stand a chance.
When I started getting Oz Whistles set up this time last year, my due dilligence included analysing every make of whistle stocked by every shop selling them.
The numbers showed that Sweetheart whistles were the most consistently stocked high-end wooden whistle globally. This kind of thing never happens by mistake.
SO Sweetheart was among the very first ports of call when I began investing. I am now entering my second year of business, the rent is payed and things are looking good. This is in no small part due to the excellent products and customer service provided by the whistle making fraternity, at the head of the list are Sweetheart.
My customers have appreciated the genuine attention payed to each and every whistle by you and your team - although there have been a few problems with materials, by and large the result has been happy whistlers. Not a single one had any issue with the tone, performance or playability of Pro and Resonance whistles. They continue to be one of my key offerings. Without your kind of comittment, good-will and attention to detail, folks like me would never stand a chance.
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Props to Walt, and the Sweetheart company in general, particularly for excellent customer service, and making the effort to explore alternative materials/processes for instrument construction - something I expect all wooden flute and whistle makers may have to embrace at some point in our lifetimes.
Loren
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