Flute or Player: You Decide...

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Flute or Player: You Decide...

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One flute player played the same tune on a number of different flutes. Each time, the tune was recorded. Pieces of each track were then assembled into one track.

I will not identify the player, except to say that the player has less than 10 years on the flute.

So, the track contains the same player, playing the same tune, on a number of different flutes.

The number of flutes in the final track may be one, or it may be more than one.

Using only your ears (no spectrum analysers, no slowdowning software, no electronic or software tools, just listen to the piece as it's played!), listen to the track and tell us:

A. How many flutes appear in the track.
B. What wood the/each flute is made of.
C. Whether the flutes you identify are 'Prattens' or 'Rudalls' or 'Nicholson's'
D. The maker's name of the flute(s) if you feel you're up to it.
E. Describe the tone for the/each flute in the track.

Of course A,B,C, and E should be a complete doddle for those firmly of the belief that 'xwood' sounds buttery and creamy but 'ywood' sounds hard and rich yet full and complex, and that Prattens honk and are very loud but Rudalls are sweet yet not-loud.

I'll tell you the answers to A,B,C and D later.
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Oh, this should REALLY be interesing. :devil:

I'll be the first to admit that I don't have a clue, so I'll drop a total guess:
1 flute, delrin, Seery, Pratten-style.......? :-?
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[accidental post - my apologies]
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Post by Coffee »

I think I heard three. I think. God knows I've been wrong before. I can't even begin to identify different wood types. (I've only played poly flutes since enlisting; they don't mind sand dunes as much as wood does.)
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Post by BrendanB »

There are three definitive flutes played on this track.

1) An 1895 McChud with a boxwood body and a sterling silver lipplate. The sound is warm and rich like yak butter.

2) A modern Pratten-copy, McChud, McChud & Sons made of cocus. It has a sound that can only be compared to drinking from a fire hose.

3) The last is a Rudall-Rose copy with a delrin head, blackwood body, and cocobolo barrel, and has three keys - Bb, Eb, and C.

I would also recognize the flute player instantly. It's Seamus O'Shay (Co. Tipperary). The famous one armed flute player.

And people say that it's the player and not the flute. Unbelievable.

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Post by Loren »

Oh, this is too easy: It's Ask Colin #2 playing a McChudd Blackwood Pratten on all the low notes, for that loud honking tone that really projects. Ask Colin has chosen the highly figured Boxwood Rudall McChudd for that sweet, but penetrating sound on the high notes, while covering all the mids on a Cocus McCudd Nicholson for prefect balance. I believe I can hear Rose Engine turned rings on the latter.


Really, can't you come up with something a bit more challenging Gary???





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Post by Loren »

Wow, great minds think alike Brendan (even if we disagree) - I was typing while you were posting apparently.

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Post by BillG »

Well, now, my first thought, Gary, was that you're just funnin us and there is only one fluter and flute. My second thought is the same as the first.

Awaiting the answer/s.

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Loren wrote:Wow, great minds think alike Brendan (even if we disagree) - I was typing while you were posting apparently.

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Definitely. Although it's easy when the track so clearly features a McChud.

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Post by Jayhawk »

All I get is an error message...so I'll answer:

If a flute plays on a track, and no one hears it, is it really playing at all?

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BrendanB wrote: Although it's easy when the track so clearly features a McChud.

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I think you're missing the point. The player is clearly using a combination of technique and electronic wizardry to emulate the sound of a vintage McChud. The point is to see THROUGH all that and identify the actual equipment in use! :lol:
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Post by michael_coleman »

3...maybe only 2, but thats just because of intonation, slight speed change and difference in the trappings surrounding the actual recording of the flute. I can only tell slight differences in timbre.
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I definatly hear a difference between the first and last Flute playing. I can tell that the first one is probably a larger bore instrument and the last is sometihng smaller. Of course it could be one Flute and one player changing their embochure, it would have the same effect.
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Unseen122 wrote: Of course it could be one Flute and one player changing their embochure, it would have the same effect.
Which is, methinks, the entire point of the drill.
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I happen to agree.
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