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I'm quoting this from another thread, as that thread predated the segregation of the whistle board, so as to put the conversation into the "Poststructural Pub."
Darwin wrote:One bit of Southern speech that I've maintained is that I normally pronounce "I" and "eye" as a pure vowel, rather than as a glide. Imagine Gomer Pyle saying "Suh-pri-i-i-ze, suh-pri-i-i-ze, suh-pri-i-i-ze", where the vowel can be drawn out forever without ever changing quality, but never sounds exactly like "ah" or the vowel in "at".

Anyone else have a pure vowel for "I"?

When I was in the first grade, in Florida, there was a kid who had a pure vowel that was a bit higher than mine, and I recall the teacher trying to get him to change it by writing "like" and "lack" on the board. She'd point at one, and then the other, saying "It's ... like ... not ... lack." --as though the difference in spelling would make it sink in for a first grader. She did this over and over for what seemed like a very long time, and just about brought the poor kid to tears. (Our class was held in a Sunday School room in the local Episcopal church, and the big thing was to sneak into the room below the steeple, swing on the bell rope, and then try to get away without the teacher catching us.)
My family are from near the town of Pryor. People who are not from around here think the locals pronounce the name differently than the word prior, but this is not the case. Both words are said the same by locals, and rhyme with fire, liar, choir, and almost with tar. It does come across as one syllable in all these words. The town of Miami, Oklahoma is rather infamous, on the other hand, for purposely insisting on pronouncing the name as Miamah, rather than Miamee, which was really just a matter of dialect, much as Missouri is pronounced Missourah, but they came to see the pronunciation as distinguishng it from Miami, Florida.

In fact, as a small child I thought that tar and tire were the same word, and that tires were made of tar, just as glasses were made of glass. Retired and retard also sound much the same as each other.

I find that, personally, I tend to use a more "ah" like vowel in words that have I in the first syllable, such as violent, priority, or liability, and use more of the "y-ending" I in words that have it in the final syllable, but never the "oy" sounding I.
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All I know is, the drunker you get, the more vowels you speak in :D
One massive vowel movement. :lol:
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Walden wrote:I find that, personally, I tend to use a more "ah" like vowel in words
In the run-up to September 19th you should be practising "Arrrrrrr", not "ah".
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Walden - I grew up thinking you put "tars" on your car, and "tire" is what went on the road. So I know exactly what you are talking about.
We also have some weird town pronunciations around here:
Pisgah is pronounced "PIZ-gee"
and, of course
Louisville is pronounced "LOO-vul" with a kinda swallow sound in the middle.
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missy wrote:We also have some weird town pronunciations around here:
Pisgah is pronounced "PIZ-gee"
and, of course
Louisville is pronounced "LOO-vul" with a kinda swallow sound in the middle.
Some Oklahoma towns and their pronunciations.
Battiest - bat-teest
Boise City - actually this one is said like it looks, I don't know why people get confused. :)
Chickasha - chick-uh-shay
Chouteau - show-toe
Cyril - surreal
Erick - ear-ick
Eucha - ooh-chee
Gotebo - goaty-bo
Oologah - ooh - luh - gaw
Skedee - skee-dee
Tahlequah - ta (a as in hat) - luh - quaw
Vici - vigh-sigh
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Some Minnesota towns and their pronunciations:

Bloomington - blue ming tun
Saint Paul - saint paul (unaccountably)
Andover - and over
Richfield - ritch feeld
Forest Lake - forced layk

There's lots more.
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Nanohedron wrote:Some Minnesota towns and their pronunciations:

Bloomington - blue ming tun
Saint Paul - saint paul (unaccountably)
Andover - and over
Richfield - ritch feeld
Forest Lake - forced layk

There's lots more.
How's Duluth pronounced?
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Massachusetts pronunciations:

Worcester: wister (or, Wistah, depending...)
Barre: bury
Leominster: lemon-ster
Concord: conquered
Leicester: lester

And last but not least,

Athol: ath-hole

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Walden wrote:I'm quoting this from another thread, as that thread predated the segregation of the whistle board, so as to put the conversation into the "Poststructural Pub."
Darwin wrote:One bit of Southern speech that I've maintained is that I normally pronounce "I" and "eye" as a pure vowel, rather than as a glide. Imagine Gomer Pyle saying "Suh-pri-i-i-ze, suh-pri-i-i-ze, suh-pri-i-i-ze", where the vowel can be drawn out forever without ever changing quality, but never sounds exactly like "ah" or the vowel in "at".

Anyone else have a pure vowel for "I"?

When I was in the first grade, in Florida, there was a kid who had a pure vowel that was a bit higher than mine, and I recall the teacher trying to get him to change it by writing "like" and "lack" on the board. She'd point at one, and then the other, saying "It's ... like ... not ... lack." --as though the difference in spelling would make it sink in for a first grader. She did this over and over for what seemed like a very long time, and just about brought the poor kid to tears. (Our class was held in a Sunday School room in the local Episcopal church, and the big thing was to sneak into the room below the steeple, swing on the bell rope, and then try to get away without the teacher catching us.)
My family are from near the town of Pryor. People who are not from around here think the locals pronounce the name differently than the word prior, but this is not the case. Both words are said the same by locals, and rhyme with fire, liar, choir, and almost with tar. It does come across as one syllable in all these words. The town of Miami, Oklahoma is rather infamous, on the other hand, for purposely insisting on pronouncing the name as Miamah, rather than Miamee, which was really just a matter of dialect, much as Missouri is pronounced Missourah, but they came to see the pronunciation as distinguishng it from Miami, Florida.

In fact, as a small child I thought that tar and tire were the same word, and that tires were made of tar, just as glasses were made of glass. Retired and retard also sound much the same as each other.

I find that, personally, I tend to use a more "ah" like vowel in words that have I in the first syllable, such as violent, priority, or liability, and use more of the "y-ending" I in words that have it in the final syllable, but never the "oy" sounding I.
I think we must sound the same. :D
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Walden wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:Some Minnesota towns and their pronunciations:

Bloomington - blue ming tun
Saint Paul - saint paul (unaccountably)
Andover - and over
Richfield - ritch feeld
Forest Lake - forced layk

There's lots more.
How's Duluth pronounced?
Duh (short 'u') ooth' (long 'u'). Emphasis on last syllable.
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I was reminded this morning of a little incident from my teenage years.. I was standing at the order window (no drive-throughs then) at the local Arctic Circle waiting for my order when a tourist from a car (southern license plate) walked up to the window and ordered a "lamb Coke." I knew what he meant but had still never heard of such a combination. Who knew that 35 years later it'd catch on and be an actual canned Coke drink--Coke with lime.

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susnfx wrote:I was reminded this morning of a little incident from my teenage years.. I was standing at the order window (no drive-throughs then) at the local Arctic Circle waiting for my order when a tourist from a car (southern license plate) walked up to the window and ordered a "lamb Coke." I knew what he meant but had still never heard of such a combination. Who knew that 35 years later it'd catch on and be an actual canned Coke drink--Coke with lime.

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One time in Colorado (Call-uh-RAD-uh?) I was approached by someone from Tulsa who "could tell I was from his area". :D

Of course, I have a good amount of Texican influence as well, so I could have just as easily been identified as a Lawtonian or Lubbockian. 8)
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Tim Allen has a good sketch about George Bush pronouncing Terrorists and Tourists the same way.
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Flyingcursor wrote:
Walden wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:Some Minnesota towns and their pronunciations:

Bloomington - blue ming tun
Saint Paul - saint paul (unaccountably)
Andover - and over
Richfield - ritch feeld
Forest Lake - forced layk

There's lots more.
How's Duluth pronounced?
Duh (short 'u') ooth' (long 'u'). Emphasis on last syllable.
Unless you're from the Iron Range. Then it's something like Da Lute.
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