A need for Maker sales page??

CJ DIXON · Post by **CJ DIXON** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:49 pm

...so far the score is 2 for, 3 counting me... and 4 against..... can we please not deviate into signatures and stay focussed on the thread which is a sales dedicated page?

Cheers,
CJ

Joseph E. Smith · Post by **Joseph E. Smith** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:27 pm

CJ DIXON wrote:...so far the score is 2 for, 3 counting me... and 4 against..... can we please not deviate into signatures and stay focussed on the thread which is a sales dedicated page?

Cheers,
CJ

The signature aspect is very much a part of this topic... in as much as you put a link to your website.... a link to your business.

Also, taking a poll or vote may not affect the way Rich wants this board run... and I am of the impression he isn't overly fond of adverts within the forum.

Rick · Post by **Rick** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:34 am

CJ DIXON wrote:...so far the score is 2 for, 3 counting me... and 4 against..... can we please not deviate into signatures and stay focussed on the thread which is a sales dedicated page?

Cheers,
CJ

You can count all you want but it doesn't matter one bit what the forum users think about this.

Like Joe said, take it up with Rich.

If it would come to a count, which i seriously doubt, i'm against..

djm · Post by **djm** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 6:51 am

Perhaps another aspect to be remembered is that this is primarily a whistle forum, and UPs are barely tolerated. If there is a web site besides UilleannObsession that might host a UP Sales page, it might be the AnimaVitae UP site. You would have to contact the moderator there. It is, at least, a dedicated UP forum, and more likely to get an open ear.

djm

mukade · Post by **mukade** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:17 am

I think a sales forum would inappropriate on a non-commercial board such as this.
Ebay is bad enough and I can forsee similar problems arising if Chiff became a place to do business.

However, I am not against instrument makers advertising they are such in their signatures.
As long as the product they are making is related to the community, and they are regular contributers, I think complaining about links in signatures is a bit mean spirited.

Instrument makers and instrument buyers have a mutual relationship. We cannot exist without each other.
Simply being a part of communities such as Chiff is one of the best ways to make themselves and their wares known.

Mukade

PJ · Post by PJ » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:56 am

Here's what Dale/Rich wrote in the commercial posts policy:

"Personally, I don’t mind if a person who makes money by selling or making whistles posts an occasional message making us aware of something they have to offer. However, I think it is important that such a person can demonstrate that the majority of their posts are entirely non-commercial. In other words, they are contributing members of the board community. I also think it is critical that their be NOTHING competitive about the message. No “best deals.” Nothing that suggests any superiority over others’ products and services. Nothing that diminishes or belittles the work of competitors."

I interpret this to mean that it is OK to have occasional messages from makers, the majority of whose posts are non-commercial, with nothing competitive or critical of the competition.

Jim McGuire · Post by **Jim McGuire** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:12 am

It is all about degrees. Occasional messages seem to be OK but, thankfully, we don't get daily, automated messages from pipemakers reminding us of their offerings.

Even dropping the web name into the signature is pushing it a bit. Even eBAY does not allow web sites to be used in their listings.

But GOOGLE ads are allowed to reach this site, so that is an approved way.

NicoMoreno · Post by **NicoMoreno** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:54 am

Jim McGuire wrote:It is all about degrees. Occasional messages seem to be OK but, thankfully, we don't get daily, automated messages from pipemakers reminding us of their offerings.

Even dropping the web name into the signature is pushing it a bit. Even eBAY does not allow web sites to be used in their listings.

But GOOGLE ads are allowed to reach this site, so that is an approved way.

My point, I guess, was that although I don't particularly care for it, signatures (and the www link) are great ways for anybody (makers, philanthropists, um... others) to tell everybody else where there website is. I know that Davey (greenwood pipes) often lists items he has for immediate sale on his main page, and I believe his website is linked via his posts. Also, I am pretty sure that he (and many other makers of whistles and flutes) have also used their once a month post to mention items they have for immediate sale.

All in all, what I am trying to say is that there are many who object to even the slight (tiny) commercial nature of including a website in a signature, so you are sure to have a large group opposed to an entire other section devoted to commercialism.

Also, I am pretty sure that the servers Rich uses for this board have rules such that explicit commercial activity is not allowed.

PJ · Post by PJ » Wed Aug 03, 2005 8:57 am

Jim - certainly, daily updates would be intrusive and an abuse of this free forum, but I don't think that's what's being suggested.

A lot of people, not just pipemakers, include their "commercial" websites with their signatures or they use the www icon. They advertise their groups, CDs, etc. No one complains about that. Personally it doesn't bother me.

texasbagpiper · Post by **texasbagpiper** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:03 am

It does'nt bother me either....

On another note, I use web links in my ebay actions almost every time I post an auction..

Here's one that opposes it Mr. Cry

CJ DIXON · Post by **CJ DIXON** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:31 am

My apologies for stirring the pot. Thank you all for your contributions.

All the best,
CJ

NicoMoreno · Post by **NicoMoreno** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:42 am

PJ wrote:No one complains about that. Personally it doesn't bother me.

Well, actually, people do and have complained about it.

Note: I am not complaining about it, and I don't think it should be disallowed. I may not like it, but I am not complaining.

Jim McGuire · Post by **Jim McGuire** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:25 am

But daily updates is where it heads once the floodgates are opened.

Speaking for eBAY, web site addresses are not allowed and auctions are cancelled when web sites are noticed in the listing by eBAY. That, of course, does not stop people from stretching the rules for what they feel is OK.

Even when someone is selling something on a so-called personal and group level, you sometimes see that famous 'bump' to push their objective.

Commercial operations have other vehicles for their business to get the word out and, until those avenues are exhausted, I wouldn't want to see an increase here.

ausdag · Post by **ausdag** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 2:47 pm

Dale said -
" an occasional message"

"majority of their posts are entirely non-commercial"

"NOTHING competitive"

PJ said -

"I interpret this to mean -"

"occasional messages"
" the majority of whose posts are non-commercial",
"with nothing competitive"

I say -

"I agree entirely with your interpretation

"

Cheers,

DavidG

WannabePiper · Post by **WannabePiper** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 7:24 am

ausdag wrote:Dale said -

I say -

"I agree entirely with your interpretation "

Cheers,

DavidG

Am I to interpret you agreement to mean........Oh, nevermind.