Karl Rove

jGilder · Post by **jGilder** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:15 pm

The Weekenders wrote:Dale, you rest your case.

I think Dale's a big boy and can rest his own case. You're having a hard enough time with your own cases to bother with Dale's anyway.

susnfx · Post by **susnfx** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:52 pm

s1m0n wrote:If you're interested, you can take a mini version of his survey here.

I'm in the "Authenticity/Responsibility Quadrant" :

"Strong sense of duty and responsibility to others
Care deeply about ethics and fair-mindedness
Take care of mind, body and spirituality in the face of daily challenges "

I'd agree somewhat.

Susan

jsluder · Post by **jsluder** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:54 pm

DaleWisely wrote:I'm going to unite us all with....

Funny charts!

If I stare at your avatar long enough, I can almost believe that would work...

s1m0n · Post by **s1m0n** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:58 pm

susnfx wrote: I'd agree somewhat.

I think "somewhat" is about as accurate as these things can manage for any individual.

I.D.10-t · Post by **I.D.10-t** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:09 pm

s1m0n wrote:
susnfx wrote: I'd agree somewhat.
I think "somewhat" is about as accurate as these things can manage for any individual.

I was in this realm

Idealism & Autonomy Quadrant

Fundamental Motivations and Values

Personal Control
Question Authority
Global Consciousness
Adaptability to Complexity
Flexible Families

Key Characteristics

Self-reliant and in control of their own destiny
Idealistic and open-minded
Rejecting out-dated norms and institutions

Although I found many of the questions contradictory and illogical.

I wonder how the questions were decided upon. Most likely, not like the MMPI, where random questions were asked and then grouped according to the known characteristics of a group.

s1m0n · Post by **s1m0n** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:12 pm

The pollster adapted the dataset of a set of surveys made by--I believe--the US polling company PEW (sp?) and some international partners. They run that survey every find years in something like 18 countries in order to compare changing trends in social attitudes.

I think the questions on the online quiz were pulled from the (much) larger and more complex survey, and perhaps adapted slightly.

The interpretation--that is, the groupings into quadrants--comes from Environics, the polling company this guy runs.

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:03 pm

jGilder wrote:
The Weekenders wrote:Dale, you rest your case.
I think Dale's a big boy and can rest his own case. You're having a hard enough time with your own cases to bother with Dale's anyway.

Whatever you say, Dad.

jsluder · Post by **jsluder** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:07 pm

The Weekenders wrote:
jGilder wrote:
The Weekenders wrote:Dale, you rest your case.
I think Dale's a big boy and can rest his own case. You're having a hard enough time with your own cases to bother with Dale's anyway.
Whatever you say, Dad.

Hmm... Could it be? Gilder and Weeks both live in the SF area, and neither can resist a good political argument... Perhaps they really are related!

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:28 pm

Naw, I was just quoting Gilder's blow-em-off line... Actually he says, Thanks, Dad.

jsluder · Post by **jsluder** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:16 am

Karl Rove: The Real Story, by Garrison Keillor. Sounds plausible to me.

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:55 am

jsluder wrote:Karl Rove: The Real Story, by Garrison Keillor. Sounds plausible to me.

The story is funny enough, but what I liked are the advertiser links, especially the $300 contest one, pasted below. Also, the idea of saving time reading a Chomsky book with a summary! :

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s1m0n · Post by **s1m0n** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:15 am

Also, the idea of saving time reading a Chomsky book with a summary!

All this time I've been getting by on a slogan or two; an entire summary is WAY too much investment.

Father Emmet · Post by **Father Emmet** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:34 am

A new memo has surfaced. This one from the State Dept. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00087.html

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:44 am

s1m0n wrote:
Also, the idea of saving time reading a Chomsky book with a summary!
All this time I've been getting by on a slogan or two; an entire summary is WAY too much investment.

Ya know, I actually enjoy reading his books even though they are depressing as hell....

s1m0n · Post by **s1m0n** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:52 am

I have to admit that "911" is the only Chomsky is ever tried to read, and in fairness to him I don't think it's representative of his work--it's just transcripts of recordings of the great man rambling, and it reads as such.

Any particular sentence is fascinating in isolation, but the whole is less than the sum of its parts.

~~

I did go and hear him speak last year in Vancouver, and he made a lot more sense then.