Very long rolls

phcook · Post by **phcook** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:29 am

I heared in WFOx some tunes with rolls over 4 or 5 notes.

For 3 notes (G for instance), you first play the note coming from another note, then cut and tap.

How do you proceed for more than 3 notes?

Thanks all

lixnaw · Post by **lixnaw** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:54 am

short E roll :
xxxx
xxxx
oxxx
xxxx
xxxx
ooxo
used alot in reels

long E roll :
xxxxx
xxxxx
xoxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx
oooxo
used alot in jigs

just to show you, but i think it's best to buy a good tutorial to get to know them all.

Cayden · Post by **Cayden** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:04 am

Are you sure you don't mean multiple rolling?

kkrell · Post by **kkrell** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:42 pm

Peter Laban wrote:Are you sure you don't mean multiple rolling?

Some of what I've been hearing are just 1 roll right after another, not necessarily even on the same notes.

Kevin Krell

Asturian piper · Post by **Asturian piper** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:51 pm

to make rolls longer than three notes, I use alternately tap and cut, to make five times E, I make E, then cut, then tap, then cut, then tap.
Sometimes, I try another kind of long roll, using cuts, taps and 't' with tongue.
Lixnaw, please, could you explain your notation? I don't understant it.

lixnaw · Post by **lixnaw** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:59 pm

Asturian piper wrote: Lixnaw, please, could you explain your notation? I don't understant it.

x=closed
o=open
or you could have a roll and right after it, a tap. i like that!

phcook · Post by **phcook** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:58 am

Thanks for your kind replies

Lixnaw, I don't understand your fingering; why not 6 holes?

You may be right Peter, I can't hear if it's multiple rolls or not; but in that case, how do you make the transition: tongue?cut?

Best regards

chas · Post by **chas** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:18 am

phcook wrote:Thanks for your kind replies

Lixnaw, I don't understand your fingering; why not 6 holes?

You may be right Peter, I can't hear if it's multiple rolls or not; but in that case, how do you make the transition: tongue?cut?

I was taught to tap between two rolls on the same note, but I suspect there's no single right or wrong.

Cayden · Post by **Cayden** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:09 am

phcook wrote: You may be right Peter, I can't hear if it's multiple rolls or not; but in that case, how do you make the transition: tongue?cut?

Best regards

I was not quite sure what you meant, multiple rolling is something you find in the playing of Johnny Doran and Willie Clancy who used it fairly extensively in their piping, Willie (and I assume Doran as well) used it a lot in his whistleplaying at times and it is safe to assume again it occurred in his fluteplaying, while it lasted.
I would basically do a bunch of rolls without tongueing but I suppose you could if you wanted to, the effect I would aim for would be a purely legato one.

lixnaw · Post by **lixnaw** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:55 pm

i just left a little more space between, i hope it's more readable now. i think you''ll have to be very good to put double rolls to good use. i have enough trouble with my rythm

short E roll :
x x x x top hole
x x x x
o x x x
x x x x
x x x x
o o x o Bottom hole
used alot in reels

long E roll :
x x x x x top hole
x x x x x
x o x x x
x x x x x
x x x x x
o o o x o bottom hole
used alot in jigs

that's the way i do it anyway.

Cathy Wilde · Post by **Cathy Wilde** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:04 pm

Lixnaw,

I've spent all day trying to figure out the four x's as opposed to six (or three if you're only illustrating one hand but I still can't make the roll work there, either), and I'm thinking this is where people are getting hung up.

Anyway, I'm still mystified. Do you have extra fingers? Or extra holes on your flute?

From,

One Who Must Just Have Too Few Brain Cells.

lixnaw · Post by **lixnaw** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:22 pm

Cathy Wilde wrote:Lixnaw,

I've spent all day trying to figure out the four x's as opposed to six (or three if you're only illustrating one hand but I still can't make the roll work there, either), and I'm thinking this is where people are getting hung up.

Anyway, I'm still mystified. Do you have extra fingers? Or extra holes on your flute?

From,

One Who Must Just Have Too Few Brain Cells.

sorry for my deluded tablature, i just edited my above post. but i'll swab my braincells for your repertoire anytime

fluti31415 · Post by **fluti31415** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:28 pm

Cathy Wilde wrote:Lixnaw,

I've spent all day trying to figure out the four x's as opposed to six (or three if you're only illustrating one hand but I still can't make the roll work there, either), and I'm thinking this is where people are getting hung up.

OH -- I got it! lixnaw is showing the fingerings vertically instead of horizontally!!!

Ro3b · Post by **Ro3b** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:28 am

I frequently play two short rolls in a row, taking up the space of a half note. Like this on G (showing the fingerings horizontally):

xox ooo - cut
xxx ooo - G
xxx xoo - tap
xxx ooo - G
xox ooo - cut
xxx ooo - G
xxx xoo - tap
xxx ooo - G

The most usual place I might want to do this is where there's already a dotted quarter note on the beat followed by an eighth, replacing both notes with the double short roll. E.g. the first bit of "Trim the Velvet:"

~G3B AGFA|~G3B cCFA|

Becomes

~G2~G2 AGFA|~G3B cCFA|

rama · Post by **rama** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:39 am

phcook wrote:I heared in WFOx some tunes with rolls over 4 or 5 notes.

For 3 notes (G for instance), you first play the note coming from another note, then cut and tap.

How do you proceed for more than 3 notes?

Thanks all

is there a specific track that you can refer to? that would make it easier.

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