OT - Forgiveness

[avanutria]

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Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady.

[izzarina]

I was just listening to the Lonesome Sisters'...

And now you know why they are lonesome!

[izzarina]

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Professor Higgins in My Fair Lady.

Women are irrational, that's all there is to that!
There heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags!
They're nothing but exasperating, irritating,
vacillating, calculating, agitating,
Maddening and infuriating hags!

My husband likes to remind me of this part (and really this song) on a regular basis.
Poor Prof. Higgins.....so deluded!

[Wombat]

I think we've had enough negativity. Time for a song that celebrates ... er ... getting together. And who better to turn to than Noel Coward. Let's Do It:

Verse 1

Mr. Irving Berlin
Often emphasizes sin
In a charming way.
Mr. Coward we know
Wrote a song or two to show
Sex was here to stay.
Richard Rodgers it's true
Took a more romantic view
Of this sly biological urge.
But it really was Cole
Who contrived to make the whole
Thing merge.

Refrain 1
He said the Belgians and Greeks do it
Nice young men who sell antiques do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
Monkeys whenever you look do it,
Aly Khan and King Farouk do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
Louella Parsons can't quite do it,
For she's so highly strung,
Marlene might do it,
But she looks far too young.
Each man out there shooting crap does it,
Davy Crockett in that dreadful cap does it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.

Refrain 2
Our famous writers in swarms do it,
Somerset and all the Maughams do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
The Brontes felt that they must do it,
Ernest Hemingway could-just-do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
E. Allan Poe-ho! ho! ho!-did it,
But he did it in verse.
H. Beecher Stowe did it,
But she had to rehearse.
Tennessee Williams self-taught does it,
Kinsey with a deafening report does it.
Let's do it, let's fall in love.

Verse 2
In the Spring of the year
Inhibitions disappear
And our hearts beat high,
We had better face facts
Every gland that overacts
Has an alibi
For each bird and each bee,
Each slap-happy sappy tree,
Each temptation that lures us along
Is just Nature elle-meme
Merely singing us the same
Old song.

Refrain 3
In Texas some of the men do it
Others drill a hole-and then do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love
West Point cadets forming fours do it,
People say all those Gabors do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
My kith and kin, more or less, do it,
Every uncle and aunt,
But I confess to it-
I've one cousin that can't.
Teenagers squeezed into jeans do it,
Probably we'll live to see machines do it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.

Refrain 4
Each baby bat after dark does it,
In the desert Wilbur Clark does it
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
We're told that every hormone does it,
Victor Borge all alone does it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love.
Each tiny clam you consume does it,
Even Liberace-we assume-does it,
Let's do it, let's fall in love!

[TyroneShoelaces]

is forgiveness compatible with continuing or future punishment?

Yes!!!

can you execute someone you have forgiven?

I don't see why not!!!

Can you continue to keep someone you have forgiven in jail?

Of course!!!

I don't mean can you do these things as a deterrant; I mean can you do them as a punishment?

I certainly hope so!!!


Anything else I can help you out with?

[Wombat]

is forgiveness compatible with continuing or future punishment?

Yes!!!

can you execute someone you have forgiven?

I don't see why not!!!

Can you continue to keep someone you have forgiven in jail?

Of course!!!

I don't mean can you do these things as a deterrant; I mean can you do them as a punishment?

I certainly hope so!!!


Anything else I can help you out with?

Yeah. You could stop shouting to start with.

Secondly, you could follow Darwin's example and actually give reasons for your answers which show an appreciation of why someone reflective would actually ask these questions. As it stands, your reply is reminscent of the science academic on a university exam review committee who seriously asked why philosophy candidates were give an hour to answer the question 'Can capital punishment be justified?' when he could answer it in less than a minute with one sentence. He couldn't figure out why everyone else on the committee was doubled up laughing at him.

[Walden]

I'm not sure I really know what forgiveness is. Oh, of course I get certain basics. There are ways you are supposed not to act if you have forgiven: no revenge, no vindictiveness, no more whining and whinging. There are also ways you are supposed not to feel if you have genuinely forgiven: no more rage and anger, no festering grudge. But I have two questions.

First, is forgiveness compatible with continuing or future punishment? I mean: can you execute someone you have forgiven? Can you continue to keep someone you have forgiven in jail? I don't mean can you do these things as a deterrant; I mean can you do them as a punishment?

What is whinging?

Right after 9/11, my first reaction was that we should just nuke the entire Middle East until the whole thing fused into one immense glassy parking lot (which is maybe why no one write me in for President), but within a day or so, all that was gone.

My reaction on the eleventh of September wasn't anger, it was fear of what was next; whoever would blow up the Pentagon meant business, and, I assumed, would be mounting an all-out war against the United States, with the war theater on the continent.

I was not one who felt anger that there should be terrorism here, more than in any other part of the world, as I'd lived from the age of 12, to almost the age of 19 (minus a couple of years, of high school), living in a country where the threat of terrorism was a daily concern. Every visit to a department store, every visit to a restaurant, meant being scanned with a metal detector by armed security guards and, if you were a woman, having your purse searched. I knew firsthand what it was to see bodies from an early morning shootout, on the ride to school. I knew what it was to harbor a group of hostage survivors in my home, so they would not be harassed by the news media (whom I saw swarm the funeral services of those who did not survive).

For me, the Eleventh of September attacks incited dread... dread of what was yet to come... not anger.

[Wombat]

What is whinging?

Whinging is what Americans call whining.
Whining is what Australians and Brits call whinging.

As in:
Whinging pommies. I can't stand them. All they ever do is whinge, whinge whinge. All day long, just whinge, whinge, whinge. This is wrong; that won't do and it's not done like this at home. Nothing but whinge, whinge whinge.

Why can't they just accept things like us.

[TyroneShoelaces]

As it stands, your reply is reminscent of the science academic on a university exam review committee who seriously asked why philosophy candidates were give an hour to answer the question 'Can capital punishment be justified?' when he could answer it in less than a minute with one sentence. He couldn't figure out why everyone else on the committee was doubled up laughing at him.

I'm sorry, Wombat, I didn't notice in my original reply that you are from Australia (which I believe used to be a penal colony) so I understand your preoccupation with punishment. (BTW my answers to your post were done tongue-in-cheek, as is the following):

My guess is that the science academic was the only member on the university exam review committee from the good 'ol US of A (just as I am). You see, we don't need to justify capital punishment or anything else over here -- we just do it and let the bodies fall where they may. When you are a compassionate conservative American you don't need a reason to do anything. The fact that you are an American means that you know what is best for everyone else and a reasoned justification is just not called for. The other members on the exam review committee obviously didn't understand that. Saddam Hussein obviously didn't understand that either when we told him that we were going to turn Iraq into a democratic nation. He, too, was doubled over laughing, but just look what happened to him and Iraq. Our president has shown the world that tough questions can be dismissed with simplistic answers and that those who do not like our answers will pay the price.

[claudine]

Where is Bloomfield when I need him? Now is this another example of tongue-in-cheek american humour that I didn't get?

[Walden]

Where is Bloomfield when I need him? Now is this another example of tongue-in-cheek american humour that I didn't get?

If you are referring to Tyrone, my guess is it's sarcasm, but it's a little hard to tell from what direction. The monkier is apparently a pun, meaning to tie your own shoestrings, which sounds satirical, but, again, I'm not sure of what.

[claudine]

OT: what's that building in your current avatar, Walden?

[Walden]

OT: what's that building in your current avatar, Walden?

Two storey log house built by my great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather, in 1797. It remained in the family till the Trail of Tears, and has since served a number of purposes.

[feadogin]

I don't think being forgiving is related to gender. It depends on the individual.

Well, that clears that up.

Glad I could shed some light on the issue.

What can I say, I'm somewhat laconic.

J.

[glauber]

Where is Bloomfield when I need him? Now is this another example of tongue-in-cheek american humour that I didn't get?

Sarcasm, for sure. "Let the bodies fall where they may"

For the record, when i read the quote from Wombat i was thinking on the same lines, that the one-sentence, less than one minute answer is what wins the day here in the good US of A, at least in politics.