Correct piper's grip

[whistle1000]

Hey guru. Yes I did read your link. You actually use the word pivot in that post! That's the only reason that I've used it in order to stay with your "theme". It's certainly not my intention to confuse anybody.

FWIW, I find that being addressed , "Oy " is slightly disrespectful! I doubt that is your intention and certainly hope not. I'm not familiar with it's usage and only hear it in films and such. It always seems to be used negatively in such contexts. Perhaps our British users could enlighten us.

Back to the topic.

[MTGuru]

You actually use the word pivot in that post

And what do you think was being described?

[whistle1000]

There's no thinking. You said that one should use B3 as a PIVOT. So when you further go on to explain the slight turn towards ones chest, I just substituted TURN for PIVOT. The same thing really. Like I said, I was trying to follow the same " theme" that you set. If that is not how you intended to use the pivot/turn/rotation /etc then I apologise. I'm not posting to confuse people.

[MTGuru]

I'm not posting to confuse people.

OK, fair enough, and thanks. So let me try again.

If you look at the photos in my previous post, you see that that fingers of the lower hand are not perpendicular to the whistle, but are pointed downward toward the floor at about a 45 degree angle. In order to achieve that position, if you start from a standard grip, you need to rotate the hand counter-clockwise with respect to your body, until your fingers are in the proper position. Exactly as I describe in my linked post, "Piper's Grip Step-By-Step".

As you do this rotation, with your ring finger pad firmly on the B3 hole, the B3 hole acts as a fixed pivot point, with the rest of your hand rotating around it. That's the pivot.

Once your hand is in position, you proceed to play with normal finger movement. There is no pivoting involved. You seem to be confusing the above procedure to put the hand into position prior to playing the instrument, with the movement of the hand while playing the instrument. Two different things entirely.

[whistle1000]

Oh my! Of course you don't pivot the hand while playing! I am not confused st all! And that is certainly not I was trying to explain! I was trying to explain exactly what you just explained. I don't understand the confusion . I'll re-read my posts to see where it lies.

I've played low D's professionally for many years at a very high level. I am certainly not confused.

Pivot can be used as a noun and a verb.

Sorry if I seem confusing. I thought that my posts were valid and I did Learn something as I hope do others on this topic.

[Peter Duggan]

I've played low D's professionally for many years at a very high level.

Perhaps you have, but afraid something about your need to put it quite like that bothers me...

[whistle1000]

There's no NEED. Just stating a fact to emphasise the fact that I'm not confused about the topic. "I am very familiar with the playing of low whistles." Is that less bothersome to you P Duggan? We are talking about low whistle technique and not how bothered or not you are. Lighten up dude!

[Peter Duggan]

Lighten up dude!

What? You're suggesting that?

[Nanohedron]

FWIW, I find that being addressed , "Oy " is slightly disrespectful! I doubt that is your intention and certainly hope not. I'm not familiar with it's usage and only hear it in films and such. It always seems to be used negatively in such contexts. Perhaps our British users could enlighten us.

Off-topic: "Oy" in this case is Yiddish, not British (although it could be Briddish, depending ). What it is is an exclamation, usually one of discomfort or frustration. It's kind of like "Ouch", and it's all in how you say it: it's generally muttered or moaned. It's a time-honored Jewish/Eastern European utterance, long adopted into American speech - although obviously not by everyone - and you don't even have to be Jewish (or Slavic) to use it. OTOH the British similar-sounding word is instead usually spelled "Oi", and is a variant of "Hey!". Unlike "Oy", "Oi" tends to be barked out. To my Yank ears "Oi!" sounds as if it's supposed to be rougher and ruder than "Hey!".

So MTGuru was signalling to you his frustration. Clear, now?

Back to topic..........

[whistle1000]

Thank you for that excellent explaination. I have great respect for the guru and was'nt expecting otherwise. Like I Said, I'm not that familiar with the phrase. From films like 'Snatch" , " Lock Stock...", etc. I love " Seinfeld" too!

[kokopelli]

I don't know if anybody else does that or if it might work for you but I certainly like it.

I guess you missed the recent discussion about pinkie grip, starting here:

viewtopic.php?p=1040548#p1040548

Oh my! I actually did read that topic, I must have just forgotten about it.

[Hotblack]

....Unlike "Oy", "Oi" tends to be barked out. To my Yank ears "Oi!" sounds as if it's supposed to be rougher and ruder than "Hey!".

Indeed it is...generally. But it's also used in a joking/bantering context too.

[Nanohedron]

....Unlike "Oy", "Oi" tends to be barked out. To my Yank ears "Oi!" sounds as if it's supposed to be rougher and ruder than "Hey!".

Indeed it is...generally. But it's also used in a joking/bantering context too.

Right, I've gotten that impression depending on context. Thanks.

[MTGuru]

Well, I'm just glad everyone seems to be on the same page after all. Mazel tov.

[Gregrussell]

Oh my! Of course you don't pivot the hand while playing! I am not confused st all! And that is certainly not I was trying to explain! I was trying to explain exactly what you just explained. I don't understand the confusion . I'll re-read my posts to see where it lies.
I've played low D's professionally for many years at a very high level. I am certainly not confused.

( I maybe creating drama)
Whistle1000, In this case as an example I am very confused as to why the lochlan was such a problem for you......As stated in your latest post Not sure the piper's grip was being implemented properly, "As explained" No disrespect ofcourse but it is what it is! you seem to have your own way which is fine.....Except, not fine for bigger whistles made for volume. Point being, "proper piper's grip would have allowed you to play this instrument without complaint". ( Very high level or very low level, No matter......Some kind of tune would have been made)