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Following on minerally, maybe a little (appropriately) softer, and less of a mouthful, also with suitable air-stream cross-reference; "Jet".

"The Parks Jet Whistle".

Or, if you go for the brushed finish, how about "The Graphite"?
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How about The "Every Other Whistle". :D

Onyx and Blackbird are taken, I do like Shadow...the little dark guy that's with you all the time. :)

Send me a box when they're done. :)

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Doc, a chara,

Go raibh maith agat, I'm favoring "Shadow" as well. It's not bad in Gaeilge either: "scáth" (skaw).

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Little Pieces From Big Pieces

Phil sent these photos yesterday, which is when he got the package off. As you can see in the photos, Phil is a man all about music. Tools? Yeah, he can probably handle those as well, but he's having a little fun with us. Catch Phil on BBC Lancashire on Fridays. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p001d7sk

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I notice his tape measure (do they call it that in England?) is in centimeters only. Mine is in inches only. However most of the smaller rulers and things have both imperial and metric units. Is that the case in England too, or is it only here where we're too darn lobbied to make sensible decisions?


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Careful Phil, the mechanical dinosaur looks like it's winning!


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Not a bad sized parcel. If I understand Phil's e-mails, he's done two rounds of cutting 30 meters each time following the schedule I gave him. So there is 60 meters of pipe in that box.

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Pipe Cut
1 8x375
2 8x375
3 8x375
4 8x375
5 8x375
6 8x375
7 10x300
8 10x300
9 10x250, 1x375
10 3x375, 5x300, 1x250


I planned it out so we could get the most whistles out the ten three meter pipes, going for a balanced mix of D whistles and C and Eb bodies. We are not going for any Walkabout models in this iteration. the are similar, but require an additional cm or two to cut the joint between hands.


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A man after my own heart. Riding his bike to send off the pipe sections. I also deliver most of my shipments to the local post office via my bicycle as well. Maybe I'll get a photo of that sometime too.

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Great stuff, Carey - super post!

As for tape-measures (in GB usage IME that phrase would usually primarily mean/bring to mind a seamstress's or tailor's soft tape), we get them in both Metric/Imperial dual duty and in Metric only equally readily, but Imperial only have pretty much disappeared. I'd call a 2 or 3m retracting steel tape like that a "hand-tape", which is what archaeologists (in my day) call(ed) them to distinguish them from the bigger wind-up 30m+ measuring tape reels. Dunno what builders/joiners etc. tend to call them - though IME if you asked such a person to "pass the hand tape" they'd most likely know what you meant. I reckon "tape-measure" means sewing, "measuring tape" means building/carpentry/DIY.
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jemtheflute wrote:Great stuff, Carey - super post!

As for tape-measures (in GB usage IME that phrase would usually primarily mean/bring to mind a seamstress's or tailor's soft tape), we get them in both Metric/Imperial dual duty and in Metric only equally readily, but Imperial only have pretty much disappeared. I'd call a 2 or 3m retracting steel tape like that a "hand-tape", which is what archaeologists (in my day) call(ed) them to distinguish them from the bigger wind-up 30m+ measuring tape reels. Dunno what builders/joiners etc. tend to call them - though IME if you asked such a person to "pass the hand tape" they'd most likely know what you meant. I reckon "tape-measure" means sewing, "measuring tape" means building/carpentry/DIY.
Not that it matters, but I don't think there's any sort of cultural divide on this one, such as you're suggesting, Jem. I've just done a search in a couple of UK builders' merchants sites, and the two terms "tape measure" and "measuring tape" seem completely interchangeable. They're typically listed (as they are, for instance, on thge Jewson's site) as "tape measures", which is what I've always called them. It's certainly what they used to be called back when I was in the timber trade here in the UK.
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I don't recall that surveyors (in my day - probably the same day as jem's) called them hand tapes. I remember 'pocket tape' which is how UK survey suppliers still list that sort of small measuring tape.
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Parks Espresso.
Or for the English challanged, Expresso.
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Prototype Progress

Yesterday I decided to get a jump on the Parks Black/Ninja/Shadow/Stealth whistle project before the box of material from Phil arrived. I had one section of pipe of sufficient length to make another body for Prototype #1. So, since I had not yet tried to place the tone holes in locations appropriate for this pipe, I decided to get as many tries out of the existing body as I could.

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Above is the prototype as it was.

I cut a piece of all-thread (I'm not even going to ask what it's called in England) and made some square Delrin nuts to use as stops for the hole template. I put the nuts on the rod in positions matching the holes in the prototype, then played the prototype into Flutini, chewed on the exported data with Polygraph, and got the RTTA plot I expected, inclined from one end to another since the ID of this pipe is different from that which the template was created for.

So I cranked the nuts around on the rod into positions that I thought would be better and drilled a set of holes opposite the exiting holes. Did I mention I engraved "Set 1" on the side with the original holes? Gotta keep track of who's who here. It's easy to get confused when they all look the same.

After de-burring/undercutting the new tone holes I taped over the old set of holes and played the whistle for the computer. Better, but still a way to go.

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Above is the hole template and Prototype 1, Body 1 with three sets of holes.

Repeat with "Set 3" see above with two lengths of tape covering sets 1 and 2. Not too shabby sounding, and the plot confirms it.

So I make a final adjustment to the hole template and went for the new section of pipe. I could have done another set in the old pipe, but frankly I was running out of time if I wanted to take this whistle to the session that I was about to attend. That, and the "spare" holes, even tho taped over, are perturbations in the air flow so if you get close, one needs to go with a fresh section of pipe.

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The last hole arraingement going into the drilling jig.

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Locking the template in the jig. The sliding car which holds the whistle body for drilling is see on the right here. It slides in the grooves of the aluminium extrusion under my bench-top drill press (pillar drill.)

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Here's the last hole, with the clamping mechanism of the sliding car on the left, and the brass pin (like the knurls?) that locates against those Delrin nuts.

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Not perfect, but not too bad either. Good enough for folk music as the saying goes.

People who played the prototype like the sound, but said they needed some time with the whistle to see how they really liked it.

I also would like to make the mouthpiece and markings the same cream color I'm using on the Bb whistle. That may be a challenge given the dims the CPVC is available in. But I'll have a go and see if I can manage it.
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Carey wrote:So, since I had not yet tried to place the tone holes in locations appropriate for this pipe, I decided to get as many tries out of the existing body as I could.
Can't help wondering if your experiments could be compromised by all these extra taped-up holes being enough to start affecting the bore/intonation/playability?

Edit: just noticed you've actually covered that!
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Cool to see your kit and methods, Carey - thanks!

FWMOIW, although the cream "fittings" look OK (pure white would be better), I think All Black would look best, if feasible, with metallic-inked engraving (Hey, if you went All Black, you could even custom engrave with a silver fern for the New Zealand market!)

I'd be very interested to see how your final hole dispositions compare with my those of my piccs! Maybe an alongside shot in due course?
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I'd prefer all-black (including the mouthpiece), and no visible engraving.
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Carey,

I'm much more of a tactile learner and can't make much of the charts so the only way I can think of to assess the new "shadow" model is for you to send one for evaluation. I could also offer a strong opinion on whether the climate or altitude here in San Francisco has any effect on a whistle designed in Florida. I'm sure this scientific data would augment your research.

I'm only offering this service for the benefit of you and the entire C&F community. Sort of taking one for the team as it were. You should have my address on file.

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P.S. Don't want to start a cosmetics war but I really really really like that cream/black Bb and would like to see this one the same way. However, being a magnanimous guy, I'll take one any way you decide to finish it.
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With the light-colored mouthpiece you could call it an Eclipse.

Or what about making one with a cream tuning slide - the Oreo.

I suppose Poit Dhubh would be a bit too obscure.
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Some more from Latin:

ater, atra, atrum - black

atratus - blackened

coracinus - raven black

dichrous - two distinct colors

ebenus - ebony black

piceus - dark as pitch, black

pullus - dark, raven black


And others:

BRAITH: Welsh unisex name derived from the word brith, meaning "diversely-colored," especially black and white or red and white.

DELANEY: Irish surname transferred to unisex forename use, from an Anglicized form of Gaelic Ó Dubhshláine "descendant of Dubhshláine," hence "black challenger."

CARRAN: Anglicized form of Irish Gaelic Ciarán, meaning "little black one."

CIARÁN: Irish name composed of Gaelic ciar "black" and a diminutive suffix, hence "little black one."

CIARDHA: Gaelic name derived from the word ciar, meaning "black, dark."

DUGAL: Variant spelling of English Dougal, meaning "black stranger."

KIERAN: Variant spelling of English Kiaran, meaning "little black one."
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