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jim stone wrote:
James_Alto wrote:
Denny wrote:That was just Jim. :wink:

He's loosely bound now, isn't he?

Quit winding him up! :wink:
Alright, I like bondage. Let's keep it under wraps.
So, let's wrap it up.. Apparently Mr Wilkes use both cork and waxed hemp as joint seal :)
Personally i am used to uilleann pipes with waxed hemp joints, and find them generally pretty trouble free, and easy to remedy should they become too loose or tight.
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Denny wrote:[maybe Rob's working on the site today...
Hey don't blame me I only did the original layout, Chris does it himself... occasionally ;)

If anybody wishes to hate me the 8key with the purple thread is mine. :D No I ain't selling.

That's a helluva price for a keyless.
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:D :twisted: sorry? :lol:
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Time flies. I purchased my Wilkes in late november 2003 from David and received a mail shortly after from Andrew Pickering stating that Chris Wilkes had only made twenty or so keyless flutes. That was 8 years ago, but even so there are probably not many out there. I met a French flute player at Miltown 2004 and he had just got a new Wilkes keyless, Rudall modell with the standard silver rings, otherwise I haven't seen any keyless Wilkes flutes in Ireland.
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Steampacket's flute is as beautiful as the one on Ebay. I may be selling a keyless Wilkes of the same vintage, though without the fancy rings. The price, however, will still be pretty fancy.
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I know Chris has made a "cash crop" of quite a few keyless, plain ring flutes in the last year or so, as part of his catching up with himself process. Last time I visited him we were trying out two of 'em...... SFAIK they were/are all spoken for/quickly sold - but not at this kind of price! He spoke of looking forward to/enjoying getting back to working on some fully keyed jobs.
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See the used instrument exchange for a nice deal on a Wilkes
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I've never seen nor played a Wilkes, nor heard one played, so I wonder if someone who has played them
or has other first-hand info can say how good they really are? I'm especially curious about rudall-type wilkes's.
Obviously some of this must be subjective but opinions welcome. There are, after all, some good Rudall
copies out there already.
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Chris was one of the first to make seriously good copies and derived-froms of the mid-late c19th flutes we favour and certainly the first modern maker specialising in this area to emerge, back in the early 1980s, as capable of making flutes as good as or better than the best originals. His are still amongst the very best for playing qualities and his workmanship is, from what I have seen, still nearly unrivalled.

I have (!!!) posted clips using my new-last-summer Wilkes head on my original R&R. There are tracks on the WFO CDs recorded on Wilkes flutes and Jean-Michel Veillon, Frankie Kennedy and other top players have recorded using his flutes.

Oh, and the two new-made keyless ones I got to try earlier this year would knock anyone's socks off...... When I got to play J-M V's then new D and Eb 8-keyers back in the mid/late 90s, they were exquisite, as has been every other Wilkes flute of whatever model or equipment level I have had a go on.
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jim stone wrote:I've never seen nor played a Wilkes, nor heard one played, so I wonder if someone who has played them
or has other first-hand info can say how good they really are?
They're damned good. I've played maybe 9 or 10 of them, including Claire Mann's (one of the earliest he made) and they are, without exception, deadly flutes. I played a 2007 made Wilkes boxwood Rudall first owned by Blackwood, then Julia D (and who knows who's got it now), and that flute was savage.
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Thanks to both of you.
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jim stone wrote:I've never seen nor played a Wilkes, nor heard one played, so I wonder if someone who has played them
or has other first-hand info can say how good they really are? I'm especially curious about rudall-type wilkes's.
Obviously some of this must be subjective but opinions welcome. There are, after all, some good Rudall
copies out there already.
Somewhere out there on the net is an old interview with Patrick Olwell. In it, IIRC, he says that one of the models for his first flutes was a flute made by Chris. [Well, sort of, it turns out - see correction below]* That alone tells you something. (Provided, of course, that I do recall correctly. :) )

Other than that, even I (a novice flute player of a couple of years only) can tell that they are seriously good. I've played (tried for a few minutes each, that is, let's not over-egg this :) ) several Grinters, several Murrays, a couple of Olwells and a few other flutes by modern makers, as well as, I think, four ... no five flutes made by Chris (I'd forgotten an old Pratten copy - the rest have been Rudalls). To me, only one of the Grinters came close to any of Chris', with the exception of the Pratten, which just wasn't to my taste. However, of course, YMMV and some of the very best players swear by other makers, such as Murray. Or any of the others.

*OK, so it has been pointed out to me that what he actually said was something along the lines of getting a Wilkes, a Hammy and a Murray and measuring them ... then deciding to do his own thing. Which is not exactly as I remembered. :oops:
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On Brad Hurley's site http://www.firescribble.net/flute/olwell.html
I measured flutes made by Chris Wilkes (England), Hammy Hamilton (Ireland) and Sam Murray (Belfast).
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16 hours left but I predict a no sale. The price is way too high - A keyless Wilkes did go for 3000 once on e-bay, but I think that must have been a freak sale, somebody was desperate. 2000 is probably more realistic. We shall see
http://cgi.ebay.com/Irish-Flute-Chris-W ... 4aabf198e6
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:o :o $3700 is a half-set of pipes!!!! :o :o
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