Humphrey Narrow Bore D Whistle Review
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How does that whistle compare to the tweaked O'Briain in term of volume? The O'Briain is my favorite whistle, but it lacks some volume for a pub session, I think, although I'm always using it for private sessions.
Peter, could you just give me a "Equal Temperament and just Intonation For Dummies" quick crash course? I mean, what does it mean exactly? I noticed that the tuning of my concertina is somewhat different than my whistles for the FNat and C# for example, anything to do with this?
Peter, could you just give me a "Equal Temperament and just Intonation For Dummies" quick crash course? I mean, what does it mean exactly? I noticed that the tuning of my concertina is somewhat different than my whistles for the FNat and C# for example, anything to do with this?
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Here's the best document i know about just (or pure) intonation:
http://traverso.baroqueflute.com/TRAV101.pdf
(it looks a little intimidating, but it's actually very readable)
I play the O'Briain regularly in a noisy session. I think the little percussive "pop" it has in the notes compensates for not having super-loud volume. But at least mine is louder than an untweaked FleaDog.
I have a Raindog whistle on order too, and i'm anxious to see if it will be the one that will retire my O'Briain.
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http://traverso.baroqueflute.com/TRAV101.pdf
(it looks a little intimidating, but it's actually very readable)
I play the O'Briain regularly in a noisy session. I think the little percussive "pop" it has in the notes compensates for not having super-loud volume. But at least mine is louder than an untweaked FleaDog.
I have a Raindog whistle on order too, and i'm anxious to see if it will be the one that will retire my O'Briain.
g
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Equal temperament = piano, orchestra instruments (a tuning compromise to make playing in all keys possible, no matter how may sharps and flats).Azalin wrote:Peter, could you just give me a "Equal Temperament and just Intonation For Dummies" quick crash course? I mean, what does it mean exactly? I noticed that the tuning of my concertina is somewhat different than my whistles for the FNat and C# for example, anything to do with this?
Just temprament = uillean pipes (every note in tune against the drones).
Comparing the two, in just temprament (on a D whistle) F# and B will be flat compared to equal temperament.
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Equal temperament = piano, orchestra instruments (a tuning compromise to make playing in all keys possible, no matter how may sharps and flats).
Just temprament = uillean pipes (every note in tune against the drones).
Comparing the two, in just temprament (on a D whistle) F# and B will be flat compared to equal temperament.[/quote]
Thanks!
That's a great explanation.
Just temprament = uillean pipes (every note in tune against the drones).
Comparing the two, in just temprament (on a D whistle) F# and B will be flat compared to equal temperament.[/quote]
Thanks!
That's a great explanation.
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Don't give me too many details. If I know too much I'll consider myself an authority on the subject which will lead to me becoming very boring at parties and generally a pain around. Actually, coming from a guitar and bass background, I was comparing the issue with the intonation nuances of the guitar fretboard.
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If I check an instsrument which is tuned in equal temperament against a tuner, and I do the same with a standard whistle, how will it differ? My whistles tend to be in tune with every note in the keys of G and D, for example, and the C# is perfectly tuned.
The way you guys are talking, the C# on my concertina would also show as perfectly tuned on my tuner, but sounds a little different.
This is science-fiction for me, is there any logical explanation?
The way you guys are talking, the C# on my concertina would also show as perfectly tuned on my tuner, but sounds a little different.
This is science-fiction for me, is there any logical explanation?
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It's more or less explained in the document i mentioned above. There are several ways to fake keyboard tuning so it's closer to pure/just intonation while still playable in more than one key. Mean Tone Comma is one of them. Werkmeister is a system that was popular with organ tuners, so i asked Gary to make me a whistle in that system. There are others, like Young and Valloti, which are popular with harpsichord players, still others that are popular with some piano players, etc.Peter Laban wrote:A concertina may be tunes in a slightly different tuning as a compromise, Geoff Wooff has tuned concertinas in 'mean Tone Comma'. which sounded very sweet but don't ask me what it is exactly.
All of this comes from the time before there were electronic tuners, when people had to tune things in pure intonation first using a reference pitch and pure fifths, then slightly detune them using many complicated instructions, to achieve a playable compromise.
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Azalin wrote:Thanks Bloomy for the explanation, I'm getting over-excited now after reading this
Would you say that a concertina (fully chromatic) is tuned in equal temperament?
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You are thanking him for an explanation
you didn't seem to understand.
Ergo your redundant question.
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