I have 2 of his chanters one in Holly, the other in castella boxwood ( Lemonwood )
I have made a chanter out of African Blackwood and am aware of timbers such as boxwood and rosewood and am wondering
just what range of timbers are used for chanters and how they are rated by makers/players. I have a Loquot tree and am informed it is a good turning wood.So a list of proven timbers would be a good resource
Bryan
…some from my research (actualy from web sites of makers, several forums and talking with some makers…) few years ago when I had sweet ilusions of becoming great pipemaker
**- indian/ceylon, african, macassar and brown ebony
european boxwood or castella boxwood/lemonwood**
cocobolo and some other rosewoods like tulip, madagaskan, brazilian, indian, sonokeling…
some south american woods like palosanto, lignum vitae, snakewood, purpleheart
native like plum, pear, apple, olive, laburnum, holly, yew, hawthorn, hazel and even maple
african blackwood, mopane
pink ivory could also be used
less known leadwood, american persimmon, partridgewood, dogwood, mountain mahagony
some australian woods like red lancewood and few others as well
some french makers like to use »cormier« which is sorbus and some german makers swiss pear (service wood) which is another from sorbus family
Dan O’Down used also the greenheart if I am not mistaken
some makers today use manmade materials like delrin, ebonite ect.
The one with bold text has been already used for Uilleann pipes as far as I know (at least the chanters), the others were used for other types of bagpipes or experimentation
…so, many woods can be used if they are dense and hard enought. I hope it helps, Best, AA
Thanks Glasba you have done the legwork for me I have no illusions of becoming a professional pipe maker. But
I am enjoying the challenge. I am turning a reamer at the moment and what a head F!@@## that is I am on #8 and
it’s coming together. I will make up a list of woods and hope I can stumble across some of this timber
Ho, Ho, Ho Rory a carrot I can hardly contain myself
Another wood, native to your location, is Gidgee. It works well. You could also try Queen Ebony; it’s difficult to get over here, but I have heard good reports of it.
American hornbeam or “blue beech” is another USA native timber. It is not hard to find along streams in the Mid Atlantic region. I never made a chanter out of it, but I think it would do just fine.
I once had to cut down a hornbeam, European variety,. They are renowned for being hard on edge tools, and this tree was no exception. I spent more time re-sharpening the chainsaw than cutting the thing up. Beautiful timber, from which I made myself a mallet.
Yeah there is a Tasmainian Blackwood that is beautifully coloured but apparently too hard to work. There are some interesting
stories to go with some timbers. The Red Lancewood is also known as Death Finish an Aboriginal name given to the tree “If trees die then everything finish” Thanks for all the info on timbers.
I don’t know anything about making chanters, but I have a European hornbeam in my garden. It’s a member of the birch family, apparently, rather than beech. Slightly surprising, that.
I have had to take the odd branch off from time to time, partly because the tree has a huge spread. As you say, Pipewort, the wood is very hard indeed. A hand saw barely touches it, and it blunts a chainsaw in minutes. I wouldn’t want to work it, personally. It is supposed to be very close grained, hard and very solid though. I can’t find any information about whether it splits or not, and I’ve only ever used the wood for burning and never kept any so I don’t know whether it splits or not.
I have a quantity of sea grape (coccoloba uvifera} blanks that have been waiting to be turned. It’s a nice pink to red with light colored sapwood. Made a couple of awls and small boxes so far. The heartwood is dense enough to make pipe parts from. When I have turned something uilleann related, it will be posted here.
If you are from Australia and by this also very near to New Zeland you actualy have many more options: Michael mentioned the Gidgee, but there is also Cooktown Ironwood, even Kauri, Black Maire…
Also known as Tubi or Solomon Blackwood. Terry McGee and Dave Copley have made flutes from it (Zac Léger and I both have Copley keyed flutes in it) and others have certainly used it for pipes, though not necessarily Uilleann pipes. It’s beautiful (darkening over time to a dark brown that’s still brown rather than black), hard, dense and stable when appropriately worked, but apparently also quite tricky at the seasoning/pre-boring stages…
Thank you one and all I have a lead on some cooktown ironwood… My reamer is nearly finished. I wish I had a better grasp
of the formulas and graphs involved.Trial and error have worked so I can now make some sense of the maths involved.
Ta very much
Bryan
The problem is that the wood is not the only thing that matters.
Depending of the general bore shape geometry (more or less narrow or wide, angle of the conicity, holes size, etc…), some woods will suit better to your own taste than other.
There’s no absolute rules.
Secondly, the cleanness of the bore has a crucial role in the final tone result.
You can use the best indian blackwood availlable: if your reamer is not finely shaped and PERFECLY SHARPENED, you’ll loose at the end lots of harmonics, and (on a concert-pitch chanter), the second octave will sound harsh and shrill.
But maybe it appears to be an advantadge for a flat chanter bore.
The differences between the wood sounds are mainly a question of bore inner surface state.
If so tiny grain differences can produce an audible result, you can easily imagine that very little defaults in the cutting of the bore reaming does the same.
If you’re good enough at sharpening, you can manage to ream properly even rather tender woods.
If the boxwood gives always very good results, it’s because it can be turned out like plastic, even with a bad sharpened tool!
It seems that usualy, people are more found of very clear tones, as rich of harmonics as possible.
But, one more time, I think that we have to keep an open mind: in musical instruments craft, very bad things can make sometimes great results!
This thread, /viewtopic.php?f=2&t=101936, introduces how WIDesigner can help whistle and flute makers. We’re at work on support for reed instruments. As a sample, it can predict the playing frequencies of a smallpipe chanter about as accurately as I can measure them.
As you (and Benoit) are well aware, there are still trials and adjustments involved, but it could at least give you an idea where to start drilling finger holes.
I heard somewhere that ash was a traditional wood for nailed bellows. Some woods will hold a tack better than others, but I never made a nailed bellows, and don’t know much about them.
Walnut has been used for stitched bellows in the past by some, and cherry is nice for a flash of color. Many other woods will do nicely, and one could use almost any decent lumber. Even softwoods will make a nice lightweight sewn bellows if weight is an issue.
Ash is quite tough. Niall Kelleher informed me it was a traditional wood for hurley sticks. In the 'States I’m more familiar with it’s use by Louisville Slugger for baseball bats.