tips on learning a tune by ear

Just to bring the subject back to ways to learn by ear, I find this good.

First, cut up your tune into bar long sections (and slow it down if possible). Start at the beginning and record the first bar onto a tape or whatever four times with a bars rest between each playing.

Then do the same for the second bar. Then for the first two bars together. Then the third, then fourth , then first four bars… you get the idea. When you’ve made your recording, listen to it with your whistle and every time an individual bar is played, try and echo it. When more than one bar is played, try to play along.

I think you’ll find that this system not only enables you to learn a tune by ear more quickly, but also over time it will drastically improve your listening skills, so eventually you don’t need the recordings any more, and this is useful as I find that I remember a tune much better if I learn it by ear than if i learn it from the ‘dots’.

Hey, guess what? I have figured out part of the tune I wanted to learn!!! WOOHOOO!!! The only problem is now I think the tune is in A or something…oh well, now I have an excuse to get an A whistle :wink: Thankyou so much for everyone’s help!

Caryn

Another piece of shareware that is very useful is “Transcribe!” It will show you a graph of all the notes in a piece of music, zoom in tightly enough and you can even pick out the individual notes in a guitar chord and so on.

John

On 2001-12-02 16:32, Jo C wrote:
First, cut up your tune into bar long sections (and slow it down if possible). Start at the beginning and record the first bar onto a tape or whatever four times with a bars rest between each playing.

While the advice in itself it is sound you are heading in a completely wrong direction if you break up your tune by the bar. Break it up in meaningful phrases that are the bones of the tune, these exceed the length of the bar but will help you to structure the tune and play music instead of notes.

Hmm, gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I know tons of people who are both killer play-by-ear and readers. I myself, on the instruments I’m proficient on (bass, mandolin, Chapman Stick - nothing traditionally Irish yet, unfortunately) am equally comfortable with sight reading or with playing by ear. In fact, in the church group I’m presently playing Stick in, I do both in about equal amounts. (Oops, sounds like I’m blowing my own horn, doesn’t it? But it’s true. In all modesty, I assure you I s__k at Irish music/instruments; for now, anyway.)

What it has to do more with is the types of music they study. Generally speaking (and obviously there are many exceptions) those primarily studying classical music will be readers. Those studying rock/pop guitar or folk traditions will often be good ear players but not good readers. And those who study jazz will often be both. (And I know lots of jazz folk, which is why I know so many people proficient at both.)

On 2001-12-01 02:01, JohnPalmer wrote:

I had a music prof. in college who said that people who read music very well don’t play by ear, and those who play by ear don’t read music very well. Could it be in the genes? My dad and his siblings all played by ear, and they didn’t read music. I have a feeling that my 4 year old daughter will be able to play by ear. She’ll probably be a singer, though. Say, don’t most singers sing by ear? Maybe playing by ear happens only after one knows their instrument well.

JP

[ This Message was edited by: JohnPalmer on 2001-12-01 02:03 ]

Caryn,
This works for me. Listen lots until you can recognize the “question & answer” pattern of Irish tunes. Almost all jigs and reels fall into this pattern.
First be able to recognize the 8 bar A section (which is usually repeated) and then the 8 bar B section (also repeated)
Then each of those sections can be divided into 2 bar phrases so you have:
Bar 1&2 is a question
Bar 3&4 is the first answer
Bar 5&6 is the first question again (or slightly “re-worded”
Bar 7&8 is the “ending”(or final) answer
Look for the patterns of questions & answers in each tune and you may be surprised at how many phrases are actually repeated in a tune (less to memorize!!) Good luck,

Whistlepeg: That is so cool! It DOES work like that, doesn’t it!?

I’ve been running tunes in my head, seeing if they fit that pattern, and sure enough, most do!

In an earlier post, I suggested that pattern recognition was a key, and this is exactly what I meant.

Hey Sue, thats really kewl! I’ve never thought of tunes like that before and its fun listening to stuff with that in mind=)

I see lots of pennies dropping there!

OT - Peter, from context I can figure out what your “pennies dropping” means, but I’m not familiar with the saying. Do you know where does it come from (not geographically, but entmologically)?

:slight_smile: Erik

Erik,

The phrase, “the penny has dropped”, means that something has finally become clear. The phrase is a reference to a coin-operated mechanical device, such as a door lock, which won’t work until a coin has been inserted and drops through the mechanism…or so I understand. :slight_smile:

Mick

Mick,
Although being in Canada for over 30 years, my Mum still goes to “spend a penny” when she “powders her nose” so to speak. So, do they still have those coin-operated locks on the Public Conveniences over there?
Sue

Don’t read anything complicated into this, Mick is right. In cartoons lightbulbs and exclamation marks appear over peoples heads, Germans call it an ‘aha erlebnis’ and some people prefer to shout Eureka. That’s all I meant.

On 2001-12-09 21:59 Whistlepeg wrote:

Mick,
Although being in Canada for over 30 years, my Mum still goes to “spend a penny” when she “powders her nose” so to speak. So, do they still have those coin-operated locks on the Public Conveniences over there?

Sue, I’m no expert on Public Conveniences, but I can confirm that some of them do indeed still have coin-operated door locks. The last one I saw (which isn’t that recently) required a 5 pence coin, which is the equivalent of 12 old pennies; you can see that inflation has made spending a penny very costly. :slight_smile: However, the last time I had to pay to enter a Public Convenience, it cost me 20 pence…now I consider that to be taking the p… :wink: I’m sure this information will be of great interest to whistle players everywhere…now I had best shut up before I get slapped by someone for daring to particate in this very off-topic lavatorial diversion. :wink: Sorry Loren, hehehe.

[ This Message was edited by: Mick Woodruff on 2001-12-10 15:45 ]

Good info for those who may consider busking in England Mick

I’ll let you slide this time Mr. Woodruff, However if I catch you posting off-topic again, I’ll issue the standard citation and see you in court. Now move along sir.

I don’t know that this is off topic. I agree with Ron that it is important for whistlers busking in Britain to know how long they have to whistle before being able to afford to answer the call of nature! What is it, one minute per once through a tune with repeats…

I was about to start a new thread on learning by ear on the ITM board, which seemed most appropriate, when I found this one via the FAQ post on that board.

Here’s a slightly rewritten version of a post which I did recently on a “newbie thread”. I offer it in a spirit of humility (i.e. I think I’m right), and have suggested to Brother Steve that he might like to incorporate it into his excellent site, but as it may be a bit obscure I’m setting it up here so that others can comment on it and perhaps make it more understandable for the learning-by-ear beginner. It makes more explicit the excellent advice which Peter has already given here.



As regards learning tunes by ear, it helps if you listen “actively” to a tune on a recording. In other words, rather than listen passively to random tunes and hope to pick them up by osmosis (though this can also work), you can learn more effectively by focusing on one tune at a time and figuring out what’s going on in that particular tune. The arranged sound of some well-known groups is OK, but for learning tunes it’s probably better to use solo recordings or recordings in which the accompaniment is relatively subdued.

The essential principle of Irish music is lots of repetition, but with subtle variation. Most two-part tunes are played “AA-BB”, i.e. the first part is played twice, then the second part is played twice, then the whole lot is repeated one or more times in the same AA-BB format (it’s probably best to stick to two-part tunes at first till you have honed your learning-by-ear skills, but the same principles apply even to the big six-and seven-part tunes).

If you listen to the first (or “A”) part of a typical tune, you will notice that it is made up of four “sub-assemblies”, normally about two measures long, though the musical phrases may not correspond exactly to the measures as broken down with bar lines. Let’s call these sub-assemblies or quarters “a1”, “a2”, "a3 "and “a4” (same goes for the B part, as appropriate).

Typically, the “a1” and “a3” quarters are similar to each other or even identical, and there are also similarities between “a2” and “a4”, though there “a4” often differs to a greater extent, to signal that it’s the end of the part. In some tunes, you will notice that “b4” is the same as “a4”.

Armed with this knowledge, listen to the tune again a few times and try to anticipate what’s coming next, i.e. mentally (or even out loud) sing along with the record. You will gradually find that you’re getting most of the notes right, and you can then focus on an ever smaller number of notes which you haven’t quite figured out. This is where you’ll really notice the effect of variation, where the musician is consciously varying bits of the tune which in a simple transcription are shown as identical.
When you have mastered a tune from a particular recording it is still worth while taking the same approach when you hear the same tune being played by someone else (whether live or on a recording). That way you will gradually become aware which bits are essential parts of the tune and which are someone’s variations. But that doesn’t mean that there is a single “right” way to play the tune, because Irish tunes are rather like the meanderings of the Ho Chi Minh Trail in which different pathways intertwine, converge and diverge but you can take any of them as long as they all lead you in the right general direction.

Very good suggestions Roger and I’d like to add them to Brother Steve’s site (when I get a chance!)

When I teach tunes by ear I try to make students aware of these “building blocks”, telling them for example once they have got halfway through the B part that the rest of the tune is “for free” - because they’ve already got it down.

going back a bit–I agree with jomac. My father plays a number of instruments proficiently by ear but can’t read much. I can read what I play with no problems but it’s more difficult to pick things up by ear. So it seems it can’t be in the genes. The secret of course is that he plays rock/pop and I’ve had classical training.