Some nice flutes on Ebay

French flute by Barbe
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Antique-French-wooden-Flute_W0QQitemZ140233924531QQihZ004QQcategoryZ37977QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

French Flute by Aine
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Antique-wooden-flute-Godfroy-Aine-Margueritat_W0QQitemZ300227410824QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Flute with Ivory headjoint by Mollenhauer.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Antique-Mollenhauer-Wooden-Flute-Absolutely-Gorgeous_W0QQitemZ300227438446QQihZ020QQcategoryZ10183QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

David

I’m trying to figure out the keywork on the Mollenhauer flute.
Can’t really see it in the picture.

Also anybody have an idea about how ivory sounds?
I’ve heard it’s nothing special, but I don’t know.
I find it a bit creepy, for the standard reasons.
(Of course in Tibet flutes are made of human bones,
but the lamas involved signed on for this by signing
up, I hope.)

Anybody know (or have an opinion)
how this German flute would sound?

My Pfaff flute has a unlined Ivory head and barrel, I find the tone very bright.
The Ivory is polished like glass, so can be a little slippery. Just a big tooth…

A Big Tooth. Ooooooogh.

The ivory headjoint on the ebay flute is entirely lined,
so the ivory may not have much tonal effect.
Sounds like one is buying into moral complexity
to little purpose.

To what moral complexity, a 150 year old tooth? Would there be some karmic transference? :confused:
The edge of the embouchure of a ivory flute, would be harder then that of wood and possible have a sharper edge? This would influence the tone some.

Well Jon, I think you qualify, at least in a professional capacity, to identify moral complexity. :smiley:

Jim means well though I’m sure.

I’m not into killing elephants for their ivory,
and, rationally or not, such old artifacts are
at least a bit repugnant to me. The thing
was immorally made, from my perspective,
and it seems plain the Big Tooth played
little functional role–mostly cosmetic.
Flutes made of human bones where the human
was murdered to make the flute would
freak me out, too.

Especially if they didn’t sound particularly good.

I can’t even kill spiders in the bathtub, I save them from there watery death… So I can sympathize, but it doesn’t freak me out to play my beautiful antiques, no more then lament the poor cow that gave up it’s skin for my shoes.

I don’t have a problem with people not minding playing
ivory instruments. Not being judgemental. No axe to
grind.

I do lament the cow. Also the cow probably didn’t die for her
hide. That is, if that animal hadn’t been used for hide
it would probably have been slaughtered anyway–meat.

So I have a leather jacket but I did what I could
to determine that the animal
wasn’t killed to make the jacket. I won’t wear
goat, etc.

This is consistent with Buddhist practice. A monk
can indeed eat meat placed in his begging bowl,
so long as the animal wasn’t slaughtered for
his sake.

But animals that were killed, not for food or even
hide, but because a small part of their body
was deployed for cosmetic purposes–I do find
that especially bad. I don’t suppose one does
any harm in playing an instrument that resulted
from such a slaughter, and I certainly don’t mind
if people don’t mind doing so. But I think enjoying
the artifact itself, made of an animal killed
for a seriously immoral purpose, well, it’s not inappropriate
that doing so gives one pause–and there’s the
moral complexity.

If somebody had a coat made of human hide,
very old, I suppose enjoying it would be morally
complex. Though obviously more serious.

But I don’t see this as a big deal. It isn’t as though
I wouldn’t consider buying an ivory flute.
But I don’t suppose they really give one much
tonally. And I find them a little creepy.

Here’s an old post–a related story:

I was living on the outskirts of Katmandu, near the Swayanbu
stupa. A large lugubrious American fellow, with a big black beard,
visited me–we played flutes together.
He brought with him the cap of a human skull
that had been sawed off a lama’s head, he said.
Holes were drilled in the rim so that
incense sticks could be inserted.
He left it behind. So I took it
into town and found him.

‘You forgot your skull,’ I said.

He looked at me lugubriously.

‘It was a gift!’’ he said.

I was stuck with it. After awhile I used it
as an ashtray, later as a teacup.

When I went South I took it with me in
my backpack. I was in a hotel room in
Bombay with some Swedish hippies.

‘That’s not a human skull…it’s a baboon skull,’
they laughed. ‘Tibetans sell them to foolish American
tourists!’

Much relieved I left it behind in the hotel room.
I took the ferry to Goa, where I met

Mr. Lugubrious.

‘Where’s the skull?’ he asked.

I explained it was a fake. ‘It’s a baboon skull,’
I said.

‘No,’ he said. ‘It’s real.
It’s very holy. It was very expensive. There are no baboons
in Tibet.’

So I took the ferry from Goa back to Bombay and
went back to the hotel room. The
skull was gone…thank heaven!..or
I’d have it yet.

Tibetans play trumpets made of human thigh bones,
but I never tried one.

It looks to be a 10-key, though as you pointed out, you can’t see all of them. From the bottom: low B, C, C#, Eb, long and short F, G#, Bb, Cnat, and a D trill.

I have an old nach-Meyer piccolo with an ivory head. When I can get the damn thing to play it’s absolutely lovely. I meant to drop it off at Kara’s last time I was in Charlottesville but never got in touch with her. Oh, well, it’s not like it’s going anywhere.