My Burke Al-Pro D (long and rambly)

I’ve had a burke Al-Pro D for a couple of weeks now, so I wanted to give my impressions of the whistle, now that the newness is starting to wear off. As usual, I will at times compare this whistle with my current favorites: the Silkstone.

A bit of background: A year ago or so, I met up with Lee Marsh when he came to Houston, and we did the whistle shuffle and tried out each other’s whistles. The one he had that really caught my eye was the Burke composite D. He had some others, but most of them slip my mind..it was the Burke that I really thought was sweet (likewise, he developed whistle envy over my Thin Weasel). His Burke was easy playing and sweet sounding.

I pretty much let the whistle slip my mind, as I’d gone through two bouts of joblessness (1 due to post-tech-bubble-bursting and 1 due to post-9/11-layoffs) and was in a sell-whistle mode, rather than a buy-whistle mode. Later, I met up with NancyF at SAMfest in Houston, and really dug her Burke Al-Pro. It required a lot less breath than my Silkstone alloy D, and slightly less than my PVC D, and the sound was as I remembered it from Lee’s Burke.

In September, I determined that I had a couple hundred bucks in the budget to put some more high-end whistles into the whistle drawer (with my birthday coming up, I usually try to treat myself with a nice whistle around Oct/Nov). I wrote Paul Busman about his whistles, but never got a reply. Then I remembered my trip to SAMfest, and how I was impressed with NancyF’s Burke (and also intrigued by a Maple Sweetheart, but that’s a different story). About that time, Blackhawk’s thread about his Burkes came up, and I saw you could get one without a wait from Song of the Sea.

That cinched it. The only whistle I’ve ever waited for was my Laughing Whistle, and that was a test in patience! I’ve otherwise always gotten high-end whistles at a store or second-hand. So I called Song of the Sea, and they had Al-Pros in stock. A few days later, one was in my hands. It’s relatively new, made in 6/2002 according to the engraving.

This whistle is a beauty. It’s got clean lines, and looks very professional. I’ve seen reports of some folks having trouble hitting some of the notes (high B, for instance), but I have none of those issues. The whistle takes considerably less push than my silkstone, and it plays cleanly and consistantly all the way to high B. If I knew any cross-fingering for 3rd octave, I’m pretty convinced that it’d play up there, btu I’ve never had that need. That perturbed bore must do something, because the whistle has a great tone to my ears. If you’re looking for a Generation sound, this isn’t it…The sound is fat and round. Even my Silkstone alloy has more of that metallic ‘thinness’ I associate with Generations or Sindts.

Unfortunately, it’s not loud. It’s quieter than a Susato, Copeland, and Silkstone (both alloy and PVC). At session, it starts becoming invisible if we have more than 4 or 5 musicians in attendance. It can be heard fine alongside a fiddle, accordian, guitar, and bodhran, though. It likewise doesn’t stand up to breezes or wind very well. I find it cutting out (due to wind) while playing at stoplights, which has never happened with my Silkstones. It has superb moisture control..I have yet to have it gurgle out on me (which my Silkstone alloy will do quickly if I’m under A/C). It’s a lightweight whistle.

All in all, it’s a sweet little whistle. Even my non-whistling buddy Dan couldn’t put it down Saturday, eventaully saying “This whistle makes me want to learn how to play.” Because of it’s nice tone, ease of playing and lack of moisture buildup, I’ll be playing the Al-Pro at our next band performance on the 28th, with my Silkstone PVC as backup. I’ll let you know if it lasts the entire 4 hours.

Greg

It will last the 4 hours, Greg. You have made an excellent purchase.
Best.
Byll

It will last the 4 hours, Greg. You have made an excellent purchase.
Best.
Byll

Huh. My alproD seems loud…I won’t play it in the car for fear o’ ear damage. But the water weasel was louder in upper reg.

I’m preparing to take the plunge into the high-end whistle market, and have kind of decided to get either a Burke AlPro or Burke composite (D). Sounds like you played both. Any comparisons?

John Mac

John:

I played them months apart, so I couldn’t give you a play-by-play. The tone is similar in both, from what I remember. Other than that, the composite felt fragile for some reason, though I know it’s not nearly as fragile as it felt. They’re both very lightweight.

I got the metal one because it was the one I’d most recently played, and really liked. That, and I wanted something bright and shiny for playing in dark pubs.

Now, if someone wants to send me a composite whistle for me to do a side-by-side comparison of… :wink:

Greg

On 2002-09-17 16:40, goesto11 wrote:
I’m preparing to take the plunge into the high-end whistle market, and have kind of decided to get either a Burke AlPro or Burke composite (D). Sounds like you played both. Any comparisons?

John Mac

On 2002-09-17 16:31, The Weekenders wrote:
Huh. My alproD seems loud…I won’t play it in the car for fear o’ ear damage. But the water weasel was louder in upper reg.

Compared to my hoover pvc, or my clarke original or even my sweetone, it’s loud. I didn’t mean to give the impression that it was a ‘quiet’ whistle. It’s not…but it’s definitely not what I’d call ‘loud’. When I think of loud whistles, I think of Susatos, Copelands, and my Silkstone Alloy..these all have good ‘punch’. And my Al-Pro is definitely a notch below these, since I’ve been able to compare them side-by-side (at session for the copeland/susato comparions).

When I want wind resistance and big volume (at ren-fairs perhaps) I’ll definitely still be favoring my silkstone alloy.

Greg

Thanks for clarification.
But I wonder, why would anyone want a composite when they’re not that far off in price? For low whistles, I understand that “warming up” might be a factor but for a high whistle…
As for durability, the brass feels pretty solid. The al could be crunched I think..

I like the Burke composites I’ve played better than his metal whistles.

Well, now I gotta try one!!

Mind you, I don’t like his metal whistles, so I may be an atypical sample.

I have the brass. It’s got a great tone. Everything that Wandering said about the al applies to brass. It’s a whistle that looks GREAT after a polishing, but really shitty a week later. I like that, because I don’t always want to look like a spent a lot of money.

On 2002-09-17 15:37, Wandering_Whistler wrote:

. . . I’ve seen reports of some folks having trouble hitting some of the notes (high B, for instance), but I have none of those issues.

Trouble hitting a note in the first two octaves on a Burke??? These are some of the easiest playing instruments on the face of the earth.

I’ve played composites along with the metals, but not in the same keys. The closest is the low-D and -E. The E is smoother and warmer. I don’t know how much is the key vs. the material. I have D’s in Al and brass, and the brass is more complex and not as pure; a little more traditional.

I’d tend to agree with you, chas…
But back in June, DRC posted some probs he had with his al-pro. Points were: Weak and flat high D and very difficult to hit B. Doesn’t sound like any of the Burke’s I’ve played (including my own), so maybe he just got a bum steer.

I am one of those high B people who has expressed troubles. The problem is that sometimes the B falters in intonation or drops octave, which can be very embarrassing. The alpro does it a tad more than the brass pro. My working hypothesis has been relative humidity but I am not so sure about that…

. Also, remember that I am a very even player and favor whistles that have a short range of wind requirements. I sent back two Water Weasels because they did not respond to my style of playing, if that helps at all. In other words, the alterations I had to make to play it wasn’t worth the technical change for me. As I have become a better whislte, I can work better with balky whisltes, like my unimproved maple Sweet, but I still don’t consider them primary for that reason.

Other Burkes I own: The high E whistle almost never has that difficulty. My C doesnt either. I havent played with my new low A and G enough to make an observation.

Hmm, my Burke brass-pro D (or whatever it’s called :slight_smile: ) is a pretty loud whistle. Not as loud as, say, Overtons, Chieftans or Susatos, but on level with my Copeland and Water Weasel. It does take some air (pressure) to keep it going in the second octave. I find it excellent for playing in very noisy places.

That being said, I actually prefer the sound, volume and air requirements of my old WBB D whistle, which strikes me as a more “traditional” whistle. Plus, it doesn’t have those nasty O-rings. :slight_smile:

Hej Jens

What’s a WBB whistle? Sounds like a good one

On 2002-09-17 15:37, Wandering_Whistler wrote:
Unfortunately, it’s not loud. It’s quieter than a Susato, Copeland, and Silkstone (both alloy and PVC). At session, it starts becoming invisible if we have more than 4 or 5 musicians in attendance. It can be heard fine alongside a fiddle, accordian, guitar, and bodhran, though.
Greg

Greg - is it the narrow or wide bore? I understand that the narrow bore is quieter. Also, do you prefer the Al or Brass?

WBB = Burke Wide Bore Brass, Mike’s previous model of brass whistle before the Pro-series.

Actually on second thoughts, while the volume and air requirements of a WBB are more “traditional”, the sound of it really isn’t, at least not in the same way as a Generation or a Sindt. The WBB has a more thick, metallic sound (if that makes any sense). Hard to define, but very nice.

:slight_smile:
Jens

(quote)I wrote Paul Busman about his whistles, but never got a reply.

Dang!! Sorry about that! I truly try to answer all e-mails instantaneously, but sometimes AOL mail doesn’t seem to send what I think it is sending. Please, ANYONE who asks me for info and does not receive it right away ask me again!
That said, I think you’ll be happy with any of Mike’s whistles. If you’re not interested in another whistle right at the moment, I can’t think of a guy I’d rather “lose out” to ( except maybe Glenn Schultz)