This is an interesting news story:
source: http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060224_gay_genes.html
I’ll remember this next time I hear the fundies shouting about how “unnatural” homosexuality is.
I am a “fundy” but I don’t shout that.
(I whisper it quietly. 
)
Oh, you’re much too cute to be a fundy.
Very interesting!
And Cran, I wouldn’t consider you a 'Fundie"… a person with religious views that focus on the fundamentals, yes, but not a 'Fundie". There is a difference. 
Yeah-- a real fundy/homosexual would be an oxymoron since the bible clearly states that such a sexual orientation is an abomination. You’d be forced to stone yourself to death!
Unfortunately, I had a friend back in the 70’s that nearly did so… felt so conflicted that he became suicidal… I hope he never succeeded on that … lost touch, sadly. Bless his soul!
Well, not necessarily:
My great grandmother, when she says gay, she means brightly colored or cheerful. Sometimes it does seem like some people are born with brighter and cheerfuller dispositions than others, of course I don’t doubt that some environmental fctors come into play.
Except that Christianity accepts the moral law but not the ceremonial, so that stoning is not practiced.
Terrific! I’m glad to hear that. I guess when I think of fundy’s I think of people who look no further than the black and white on the written page of the Bible with no thought of interpreting the spiritual messages behind it.
Yes Cran, I’m glad you’ve found these resources as well. It’s concerned me somewhat that the place where you stand theologically seems heavily populated by folks who would not accept you as gay, and would feel that that aspect of you needs “correction.” So I’m happy that kind of support exists.
It has always existed, but it has also always been very “under ground,” or at the very least, not visible enough to attract flying stones.
For example, the highly esteemed and much-published priest/author Henri Nouwen was a homo (and, like with many priests, it wasn’t exactly a secret), but if you read biographies of him, that part is often simply left out all together (although, to be fair, like all western Catholic priests, he was celibate).
But when you understand it in relation to the rest of his life and writings, it means a lot more.
That’s their problem. It’s not the theology that sucks it’s the way people mess it up.
Thanks for posting that, Cran. It looks like they still have not determined whether it’s the gene expression in the mother or in the son that counts, though. In other words, is the gene expression in the boy during his development (or later) the predisposing factor for homosexuality or was it something about the environment provided by the mother during egg development or pregnancy (and influenced by her gene expression) that resulted in a gay son. It would be very interesting to know that.
Robin
I think it would be interesting to know that, too.
Whenever a cause or (combination of causes) for homosexuality is finally “officially” discovered and documented, I suspect that male homosexuality will be shown to have a fundamentally different cause(s) from female homosexuality.
I don’t really know why I suspect that, as I am obviously not a geneticist or scientist of any sort, but I just sort of have an intuition about it, I guess.
I have that sense as well. People can yell at me about this if they wish, but I betcha that a study of gays of both genders would suggest that in the nature/nurture balance, lesbianism would show more leaning* toward environment, and the gay male situation would be heavily biological.
I base this on nothing and am quite willing to stand corrected. Or sit, or whatever corrected.
*I say leaning because I know women with whom it seems very inborn.
Who’s to say that all cases of homosexuality are caused by the same thing? Or even all cases of male homosexuality? Or Female homosexuality?
For example, there are two different kinds of diabetes with two very different causes - type 1 and type 2 diabetes. The two conditions look the same superficially, but they’re not.
I also get the feeling that a lot of female homosexual behavior has a different motive than the male variety, mostly because the social structure of women among each other differs somewhat in nature than the relationships men have with each other. That and a lot of young women I’ve encountered can comfortably “play” at homosexual behavior, or even engage in it, and still have a primarily heterosexual orientation and attraction. I even know a couple girls who sleep with each other and still drool over boys. They recently broke up when one of them found an actual boyfriend though.
Some other homosexual women, however, seem biologically rather than socially motivated and are indeed primarily homosexually oriented and are attracted exclusively to women
All I think we can really say for sure at this point is that female sexuality is complex and even more poorly understood than male sexuality.
I agree.
As do I. And boy am I glad I’m male.
You’re preaching to the choir here… LOL