Looking for encouragement, or something.

Stephen,

Lots good advice above, from lots of nice folks. I’m hopeful they’ve convinced you to, “keep on keepin’ on.”

If you find the Tipple holes a bit difficult to cover contact Casey Burns about one of his ergonomic Folk Flutes.

Great sounding instruments with the hole size and spacing “adapted” for those with smaller hands, or stiffer fingers.

One of the advantages of getting old(er) is that we no longer have to give a damn what others think!

Just a suggestion or two from another 70 something. :poke:

JD

Doug said, .. actually playing our instruments is important but so is the time we spend communicating with others about music.
I agree. And I feel very close to Doug. We have a lot in common, though he is a much nicer person than I am.
But it is much better to communicate in person. A real community is much better than a virtual community. I play music with my real pals and I wish that people like Doug were here so he could be a part of my real community. My pal Tom came over today and we worked on my roof, did some gardening, and played for an hour- just the two of us, interspersed with talk of other friends, music, concertinas, politics, wives …
I think it is very important not to have this forum – any net forum – as your main vehicle for social intercourse. It’s harder to establish such a community in America than it is in Ireland, for a variety of reasons. I feel sorry for some of the people here who haven’t been able, for one reason or other, to be a part of a real community of musicians.
It is becoming evident that there is an association between Internet use and social isolation. Every minute spent on the web must come out of another activity. The net is one of the technological developments that seems to have improved quality of life but has restricted social interactions.
My main point is that if you have an interest in [playing the flute then you should play the flute, and not spend a lot of time talking about it.

According to scientists, musicians have improved cognitive abilities - surely a must at our age? (We also listen better at cocktail parties it seems).

I found this information on the Parks whistles web page: (www.Parks whistles.com)
http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagename=nq_10spring_inside_science

Apart from that, I started whistlng and fluting at 70 and now play a wide range of classical, musical, folk, ITM and Irish aires with a great deal of satisfaction and contentment, though with a continously itching persistence to improve. I always play alone but I get very nice comments from a wide range of people (including life time whistlers and fluters) who inadvertently hear me and are evidently moved (sometimes …).

As the Sufi saying has it, “That which you seek, seeks you”. So perhaps you wont be able to give up anyway?

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS.

K.

^^^^ That really answers your question right there. Don’t be afraid to embrace the root of the word “amateur” (one who loves) and continue on your own even if you can’t play at sessions. As long as it’s making you happy, keep going!

I couldn’t agree more. My wife and I talk about this all the time. We want to start an offline living revolution so that people can actually remember how to have a face-to-face conversation.

Pfreddee, fast tunes and sessions seem to get most of the attention. Sadly I think the slower tunes are often overlooked by many players. The most beautiful sounds I’ve ever heard have been slower Irish / Scottish airs played on the flute or whistle accompanied by harp. There are a few good slow air books out there that I would recommend. One being Traditional Slow Airs of Ireland by Tomas O Canainn. Find yourself a harp or guitar player to play these beautiful slow tunes with. It’s very soothing and a lot of fun. :slight_smile:

Here are some links to the book I mentioned above:

Cd version-
http://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Ireland-Music-Sales-America/dp/1900428628/

No Cd version-
http://www.amazon.com/Traditional-Slow-Airs-Ireland-Book/dp/B003AG70EK/

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Not knocking your suggestion; it’s a good one. Just pointing out

  1. Many people I know would consider slow airs to be, if anything, more difficult than jigs, reels etc., not less. They can be more demanding in terms of breath control, phrasing, precision of articulation, and interpretation. So slower doesn’t necessarily equate to easier, just slower.

  2. The actual finger movements for slow tunes are not necessarily slower than for fast tunes. It’s more the spacing between finger movements that increases. It’s like speaking slowly not so much by pronouncing the individual words slower, but mostly by pausing longer between words.

That said, it’s worth exploring. And remember that any dance tune can be made into a slow tune by … playing it slow. :slight_smile: Seamus Egan’s slow version of Dowd’s #9 comes to mind as one well-known example (Solas, The Beauty Spot Set).

You mean other people have BODIES?!?

Sure. I collect 'em. I can also play fast tunes slowly. Just can’t play a convincing air. And arthritis is closing in. This is why God made beer.

Back to topic: I’m old too. Get over it and play some tunes. Chances are, your fondest musical memories will be homegrown.

Why? The internet has saved me from having to meet anyone IRL. It protects me from the pain of actual human contact. It’s the saviour of mankind.

What!?, I thought that you and Jem go out clubbing all the time. :smiley:

Rumor has it there’s always a spike in trauma unit admissions when they do.

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This will depend on who’s using what yardstick, won’t it, and on what sort of computer time. There’s not only one kind. And it depends on what you call social. After all, how different is this very post from writing a letter, really? I seem to recall no one used to worry about those. At least we get to work our minds a bit.

And what about those who for very good reason have a hard time getting out of the house, if they can at all? Would you begrudge them that?

Well, since most of my time away from the keyboard wouldn’t have been social anyway - trust me on this - this is actually moreso. Horses for courses. What suffers is the housework.

“Seems” is the operative word, here. I don’t see how the Net has improved the fundamental quality of life at all, but I suspect I’m measuring the word “quality” in terms of happiness. It has made things more convenient, fast, and anonymous. That’s attractive, but it’s also sterile. Nevertheless you already have my argument using board discussion to counter the blanket charge that web activity is not social activity.

I think that when we say that the internet restricts social time, we must rightly specify what kinds of internet activities. If you do a lot of e-shopping or gaming (especially solo gaming) or watching movies and such on your own, then yes: the shoe certainly fits. I do agree that people seem to spend more time online than out in the 3D, though; the old hotspots are less frequented than ever. At a pub I asked someone about this, and got the reply that “everyone”, including my informant, usually stays at home and uses dating sites now. Now it seems to me that if you want to meet people, then meet them, and face to face. But computer dating is thought of as more convenient. I beg to differ, and because I think that this is a mistaken notion, I asked how many times he’d gotten burned by someone lying about themselves online, and he stopped, thought, admitted that the count was “almost every time”, and agreed that I had a good point. At least in a 3D social venue you can walk away without committing yourself, as opposed to agreeing to meet someone you’ve never met for a lunch assignation where you awkwardly eat your disappointment while sitting with a bait-and-switch. That is time and money ill-spent.

One of the most bizarre sights for me is to see a group of friends all quietly focused on their smartphones at a pub table.

But to regroup and further make my case that it’s more grey than back-and-white, here’s another thing: what about the simple love of reading? Sitting back with a book is thought of as quality time. To my mind, reading works online is hardly different, the only difference being that we haven’t arrived yet at a cultural norm that romanticises the image of reading on a computer in the same way. Of course there’s the discussion as to whether a good, solid physical book is better than a screen, but that’s a question of what personal taste and one’s cultural ideals can accept, isn’t it.

All this said, we have to face the fact that e-life (such as it may be) is here and people are living it with a vengeance, and I don’t see this changing any time soon. But I’m not championing it. So, I agree that for a full life, one must achieve balance as best as one can. Get outside. Dance in the rain. Pull weeds. Go to the grocer. Talk to your neighbor. Play a flute. Go out clubbing (and avoid getting arrested :wink: ).

(This moment in philosophy brought to you by the folks at NanoWhat)

I’m sorry for the original poster that this thread drifted so much.

My two cents about interaction on the internet is that I would never, and have never, found a group of people in my 3D life that shared my interests. I can post with you folks and on other sites about all types of stuff that interest me and either my topic goes down in flames or folks participate. Same with your interests. I don’t have to be with a group of people in public who only talk about sports and in a very superficial way. “Let’s go Mountaineers” “We’re going to a bowl” “We’re better than they are.” Have you ever tried discussing anything of depth and out of the ordinary with sports people that would cause them to think beyond the norm. Try this, “I think only the players who win should be paid.” or “The next time there is a very unsportsmanlike act, the coach should just forfeit the game to teach his team respect for the sport.” See if there is even one intelligent response.

Julia started it. :poke:

And I can’t resist an intellectual challenge, insofar as I am equipped for it. Anyway, Pfreddee has gotten loads of honest heartfelt encouragement (from me as well), and the topic looks pretty well covered for that, so thread drift being a time-honored tradition and art here at C&F (in its proper moment, of course), I too hope he isn’t put off by the asides.

Good points about the pitfalls of life in the 3D, BTW.

Back on topic, then: Have you ordered that wood flute yet, Pfreddee? I still think you should.