First 8ve E really sharp

Hi list,

on my C chanter, the first octave E (or D, actually) is very sharp. I play it with x|xxx|xxoo on-knee, alternate fingerings like x|xxx|xxox off-knee etc. are all way too sharp. Otherwise the reed plays really well with a lovely mellow tone and the best back D I ever encountered on any chanter. Second octave E is in tune with a good tone. Hard E is sharp.

Ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Try taping the top of the top of the E hole… that’s the ring finger of the bottom hand hole, the second one up form the bottom.

PD.

…nice avatar there Fr. Pat. What is that beautiful object? :slight_smile:

tommykleen

Looks like an intake valve/cover for a set of bellows.

Oh, they are so much more than that.

But back on topic. The Es live in the scrape area if I recall. If you are anything like me (and I know I am) than you might have a bit of the winter doldrums (reed collapsing with the lack of humidity making this area smaller).

What does your reed/pipe maker advise?

T

…the first octave E is very sharp… Second octave E is in tune with a good tone.

Patrick, putting tape on his E will fix low E, but then his high E will be flat. (At least that’s how it works on my chanter.)

On just about all D chanters anyway, the low E is sharper than high E. If not fixable by reed design/adjustment, it means the player has to come up with some strategy.
For years I had my E placed so that it was in the middle, a compromise, the same amount sharp in the low octave as it was flat in the upper octave. I would back off on low E and give some extra pressure on high E to bring it up.
But now I’ve got to the place of having my high E just about up to pitch (a flat upper E drives fiddlers crazy, as that note is an open string for them) which makes my low E rather sharp, and I’ve got used to veiling low E with my ring finger to bring the pitch down. (On slower stuff at least.)

One pipemaker/reedmaker was telling me how easy it was to fix this problem…but then I heard several of his chanters, all reeded by himself, which all had this problem! Maybe not so easy to fix after all…


Hard E is sharp.

You’re using “hard bottom E” in the same way as “hard bottom D”? I suppose that would be sharp perhaps.

(irony and humour missed by Evil Moderator Dude…)

Thanks for your replies so far! I haven’t been able to try out taping/waxing the E hole till now, but I will tonight or tomorrow. The pipe-/reedmaker doesn’t advise anything, because I’m both of them. The chanter is designed following a layout made by Davy Stephenson. Built and reeded by me. On my other chanters, E never was much of a problem (on my concert D, it was, but a different sort of thing which could be solved easily with a bit of cardboard), so I’m tapping in the dark more or less.
I’ll try your tips and will report back. Thanks again!

Ain’t it purty!? :slight_smile: I think the technical name is “Air Sucker”? I could be wrong.

PD.

Since you’re the maker, you can experiment with various things like putting the E hole/holes at an angle. One maker told me that he found that this helped the sharp low E problem a bit.

The problem (mostly) is in the reed. The cavity directly above the staple-eye either is too small or too big. I´m not too sure any more. Ask Andreas.