Clementi & Co. cocus 8 key C.Nicholson's improved

There’s a cocus Clementi 8-key C. Nicholson’s improved, for sale here, needs repairing though, crack through embouchure etc. Three photos

Stamped “1837 / CLEMENTI & CO / LONDON / C.NICHOLSON’S / IMPROVED” on the body
Made for Clementi by Thomas Prowse, c.1822 - original case

http://www.justflutes.com/original-classical-flute-clementi-cocuswood-8-key-flute-productJM2974.html

nice, but I’m going to sell mine for half of that… :slight_smile:

Interesting. Remarkably small holes plus a long F key, despite having most of the other classic Clementi-Nicholson features! Nice price too (!), for an unrestored flute (looks to have some at least of original/v old purse pads), even allowing for the specific historic association quoted.

Have you had it restored? Have you got pictures? When are you bringing it up to meet up with my flutes?*

:smiley:

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  • Imagine this said in a breathless, whiny, Dublin-north-of-the-river-but-now-a-culchie sort of voice :wink:

Still waiting for news from Dom about it… I would be really happy to have a metting as soon as it will be ready (Soon!) :smiley:


back to the justflutes Clementi, that crack through the embouchurelooks really a bad one…

I don’t like the look of that crack either. I wonder - does the ‘fluting’ on the headjoint and barrel make it harder to repair?

the “ribbing” (fluting goes the other direction) only makes it more meticulous to repair.


and I’ll sell mine for $3k (this guy wants $5k for a cracked one and small holes)…
large holes
modern footjoint to cure the flat-foot (i have the original foot too)
ergonomics for the hands
fab tone; booming sound.
#315…second oldest extant next to the one at the Dayton Miller.
:slight_smile:

Thanks David. I’ll try and remember that.

Clementi did the ribs
Monzani did the flutes

Monzani fluting:

Clementi Ribs:

btw…this one is my flute.
did i mention I’d take $3k for it?

The fluting looks nice, but the ribbing look tacky, still it’s only cosmestic and hopefully doesn’t affect the sound :slight_smile:

nope, doesn’t affect the sound at all. And I agree, it’s a nutty thing.
I believe Rockstro called it “Clementi’s chair leg”

:laughing:

on review, here it is in it’s specificity:

…similar to those on the legs of an old-fashioned chair. Monzani afterwards rivalled this absurdity by having the head-joint fluted like the shaft of an Ionic column.
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Good ole Rockstro. Never let an opportunity go by that he could dis someone else!
:poke:

I like both the ribbing and the fluting. Did anybody go the whole hog and do cross-hatching? (Diagonal or … whatever the other word is … orthogonal?)

as in the cross-checkering from the stock of a gun?

or

or

or even…

:smiley:

of course…Helen Valenza’s ivory Rudall probably has the best full-flute pattern of them all

That’s beautiful. Doesn’t look too comfortable to hold though. Any idea how it plays?

“of course…Helen Valenza’s ivory Rudall probably has the best full-flute pattern of them all” David M.

:slight_smile: Very discreet.

Back on track - a Clementi & Co. catalogue from 1823

http://www.oldflutes.com/catalogs/clementi/thumbnails.html

Nicholson’s improved info:
http://www.oldflutes.com/catalogs/clementi/clem6.html

http://www.oldflutes.com/catalogs/clementi/clem1.html

doesn’t appear too many people bought the ivory flutes.

I have the same model as this one, lovely playing flute, after I made a shorter foot for it! The new foot is about an inch shorter… The original has a flat foot that is 60 cents flat, just about C#. the new foot I made is actually a RC foot length. Mine has the smaller holes and the reversed long F, so I guess they were common. I am not selling mine! :smiley:

From Rick Wilson’s fine site: Rick Wilson’s Historical Flutes Page - some interesting photos and words regarding Clementi & Co.'s flutes and other 19th cen. instruments. Photos of two boxwood Clementi flutes one with large holes and the other with small holes
http://www.oldflutes.com/english.htm