Symbol on fingering chart?

[MzMolly65]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me what the + symbol at the end of a fingering chart note means?

d looks like this: oxxxxx+

Thanks

[megapop]

It means that you have to overblow that note to the 2nd octave.

[MzMolly65]

It means that you have to overblow that note to the 2nd octave.

Thank you!!

[pancelticpiper]

Wow I've been playing woodwinds for 40 years and never seen that one!

Usually fingering charts concern themselves with fingering, not with breathing/breath control.

I would say that such a chart isn't a 'fingering chart' per se but something else, say an attempt at 'tab' for the whistle.

Hmmm I wonder what a 'minus' sign would mean...

[benhall.1]

Hmmm I wonder what a 'minus' sign would mean...

Suck?

[whistlecollector]

Wow I've been playing woodwinds for 40 years and never seen that one!

Usually fingering charts concern themselves with fingering, not with breathing/breath control.

I would say that such a chart isn't a 'fingering chart' per se but something else, say an attempt at 'tab' for the whistle.

"Overblow" makes sense -- though in reality such symbols could mean anything the maker of the tab or fingering chart wants it to mean. I looked at it and thought immediately "oh, clever way to indicate fingering stopping the low C#!" I'd hazard the guess there is no explanation attached to the chart in question that could solve the problem immediately...

Cheers

[MzMolly65]

Here's a link to the chart I'm speaking of .. hopefully it might explain the symbol for those of you who can read music as well.

http://martindardis.com/tripping_up_the ... music.html

[colomon]

They're using the plus to indicate the note is in the second octave.

[MzMolly65]

They're using the plus to indicate the note is in the second octave.

So Megapop was right then!

[whistlecollector]

They're using the plus to indicate the note is in the second octave.

So Megapop was right then!

Yep. Reinforced by the upper/lower case note name notation (D = "low d" / d = "high d" --- although, to me it seems kind of odd that the break between upper and lower case notation ought to occur between B and c#, rather than C# and d), and confirmed as well by the actual musical notation. Pancelticpiper is also correct in his suspicion that this is an example of tabulature, rather than a fingering chart proper.

Now, off to go Tripping Up the Stairs!

Cheers

[LMGrimsley]

MzMolly, I am so glad you posted this question! I had wondered about that symbol as well- but since I've mostly been playing from sheet music, I hadn't gotten curious enough to ask...
Thanks!
Lisa

[MzMolly65]

Pancelticpiper is also correct in his suspicion that this is an example of tabulature, rather than a fingering chart proper.

Can you clarify this statement for a beginner who doesn't know what tabulature is never mind the difference between it and a proper finger chart???

Thanks

[Brus]

Can you clarify this statement for a beginner who doesn't know what tabulature is never mind the difference between it and a proper finger chart???

Thanks

A notation explicitly showing the fingering for each note in a tune (usually along with staff notation, which most people on this board refer to as "the dots").

Example, including the plus-signs which began this thread:

http://www.guitarnut.com/folktablature/ ... istle.html

[whistlecollector]

Pancelticpiper is also correct in his suspicion that this is an example of tabulature, rather than a fingering chart proper.

Can you clarify this statement for a beginner who doesn't know what tabulature is never mind the difference between it and a proper finger chart???

Thanks

Sure -- "tabulature" is simply some sort of graphic representation of the fingering of a note or chord for any given musical instrument, generally in conjunction with written out musical notation, but sometimes without it, which will allow the musician to play the music whether or not they can read musical notation. A "fingering chart" is simply a specialised tabulature that describes all (or at least many possible) fingerings for the notes of the typical range of the instrument.

Hope that helps clarify!

[accordionstu]

I've never seen that before either. The ABC notation popular with marching bands in NI and Scotland use the lower case for low register notes abcdefg and capitals for the middle register ABCDEFG and and Apostrophe beside the capital for third register D'E'F'G'A' etc I have learned this way and it seems more logical, but had to change as soon as I started playing Irish Trad, especially using sites like the Session dot org.