Home-made Vinyl Bag

A forum about Uilleann (Irish) pipes and the surly people who play them.
Post Reply
User avatar
straycat82
Posts: 1476
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:19 pm
antispam: No
Location: Arizona
Contact:

Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by straycat82 »

Just finished making a vinyl bag to replace my Tim Britton bag which I found unmanageable for my small frame.

I started by perusing any material I could find on the subject by searching the forums and web. I got a lot of good information from my friend, Eric Wilson as well as some old C&F forum posts. I experimented with a few of my own methods which worked out extremely well. For example, one of the things I noticed when looking at pictures of vinyl bags others had made was that the seam would get a wavy look to it due to the unpredictability of the glue spreading in multiple directions when the bag is clamped. What I ended up doing was: I laid my bead of glue around one half the bag and then gently folded the other side over and maneuvered it until I was satisfied with how the cut edges met up. I applied gentle pressure only to ensure that it wouldn't move too much on me I then used the spine of a DVD case to sort of squeegie the glue towards the outer seam (away from the inner bag) so that it would encourage the glue to spread outwards rather than inwards. It seemed to work very well.

Image
The bag is laid on top of the Tim Britton bag for comparison. Keep in mind, the vinyl bag has a 1" (approx) glue seam so the inner bag dimensions are even smaller than seen here. I made my measurements based on this template and added 1" all around to allow space for the glue to spread without intruding on the desired inner bag dimensions. (I made two lines, one was the inner bag target dimension and the other was the cut line which was 1" out from that. The glue bead was laid between the two lines, but closer to the inner line and then smoothed/pushed outwards with the dvd case after the sides were together)

This shows a close-up of my tie-in method:
Image
Rather than go with the star pattern cut, which tends to rip very easily with the vinyl when stretching over the stocks, I used round cuts. The round, continuous cut preserves the integrity of the hole and doesn't create any weak points for the material to tear through. The vinyl stretches quite a bit so the cut hole size was less than half the diameter of the stocks. Air tightness has been achieved on all three stocks. If I could give advice to someone on the way to the store to purchase the fabric, DO NOT let the clerk fold it (you can see the unsightly fold lines in my photo) because it makes the vinyl harder to work with and also results in creases in the material. This could be a big problem if the crease ended up in the neck and encouraged it to kink on you, otherwise it's merely cosmentic.

Here's the set put together:
Image
patsky
Posts: 404
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 6:27 am
Please enter the next number in sequence: 1
Contact:

Re: Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by patsky »

Two questions: What king of glue did you use and did you use nylon backed vinyl...marine grade.
Pipes, Reeds and free information on my website: http://www.patricksky.com
User avatar
straycat82
Posts: 1476
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:19 pm
antispam: No
Location: Arizona
Contact:

Re: Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by straycat82 »

I'm not positive if it was nylon or polyester backing but it came from JoAnn's fabric store, sold as marine grade vinyl. The company that makes it is called spradling and the backing has a sort of corded texture so that it stretches easily in one direction but not as much in the other (I hope that makes some sense to you).

The adhesive was 3m 5200 Marine Adhesive/sealant fast cure
User avatar
PJ
Posts: 5889
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:23 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: ......................................................................................................
Location: Baychimo

Re: Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by PJ »

I've had problems with Marine Vinyl, cracking along where it folds. Watch out for this along the fold on the top of the bag, particularly along the neck. I've had a vinyl bag and 2 vinyl bellows gussets give out one me after only a few months.
PJ
User avatar
straycat82
Posts: 1476
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:19 pm
antispam: No
Location: Arizona
Contact:

Re: Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by straycat82 »

PJ,
Thanks for the warning. I was surprised to hear that the material failed after only months! I am curious about the brand and specs of the vinyl you used. A friend of mine has been playing a vinyl bag of the same material I purchased since November and it looks to be good as new.

Did you end up going back to leather or did you find a suitable vinyl that had more integrity?

I'll be sure to keep an eye on those folds and seams.
User avatar
PJ
Posts: 5889
Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 12:23 pm
antispam: No
Please enter the next number in sequence: 8
Tell us something.: ......................................................................................................
Location: Baychimo

Re: Home-made Vinyl Bag

Post by PJ »

For the gussets, I ended up using leather. The bag was replaced by the maker (K Thompson) by a different synthetic material.
PJ
Post Reply