My eBay dream flute...

Jon C. · Post by **Jon C.** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:39 pm

150119125661

jtrout · Post by **jtrout** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Oh my Jon, are you asking for it! :) Lovely!

chas · Post by **chas** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:57 pm

I know I've seen that flute in the last few months, although I dunno that it was on ebay. I'd be cautious.

Casey Burns · Post by **Casey Burns** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:59 pm

Yeah but that flute might have been a nightmare for some poor elephant!

Hopefully it was some fossil tusk - but I doubt it!

Also, good luck getting it into the country. I've heard that they confiscate ivory sometimes irregardless if it is an antique or not. Hopefully that permit will help.

Casey

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:06 pm

Is that CPVC?

Eric

Jon C. · Post by **Jon C.** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:27 pm

Casey Burns wrote:Yeah but that flute might have been a nightmare for some poor elephant!

Hopefully it was some fossil tusk - but I doubt it!

Also, good luck getting it into the country. I've heard that they confiscate ivory sometimes irregardless if it is an antique or not. Hopefully that permit will help.

Casey

It is just a "dream flute"... Just dreaming... I doubt very much Monzani used fossilized tusk to make his flutes! A flute made in the 1830's would be considered "pre-ban" when it comes to the law of the land...

Casey Burns · Post by **Casey Burns** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:33 pm

There was a bunch of fossil ivory coming out of the Urals then. It could be fossil.

I have worked some Alaskan ivory that is pure white - except on the outside of the tusk where it had the blue vivianite. Got tired of using it though and went to polyester fake ivory. Got tired of that and now I just enjoy wood and silver.

Casey

Jon C. · Post by **Jon C.** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:40 pm

Casey Burns wrote:There was a bunch of fossil ivory coming out of the Urals then. It could be fossil.

I have worked some Alaskan ivory that is pure white - except on the outside of the tusk where it had the blue vivianite. Got tired of using it though and went to polyester fake ivory. Got tired of that and now I just enjoy wood and silver.

Casey

Ya, I got some mammoth ivory, looked just like the fresh stuff, but it wouldn't be fossilized as it was just frozen in the permafrost not fossilized. Am I right in this? I like working with wood and silver too, but occasionally a antique will need a new ivory piece repaired or replaced.
I understand that to make a ivory flute they had to steam or boil the ivory to straighten it, is that correct?

jim stone · Post by **jim stone** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:55 pm

I recall somebody, maybe Andrew K, saying that ivory
hasn't exceptional acoustical propertries. So maybe it
sounds less good than wood.

Jon C. · Post by **Jon C.** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:13 pm

jim stone wrote:I recall somebody, maybe Andrew K, saying that ivory
hasn't exceptional acoustical propertries. So maybe it
sounds less good than wood.

Your right, it probably won't be worth the $11,000 that it will sell for...

O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago · Tue May 08, 2007 10:06 pm

I've got a bone quena that is the exact same specs as a blackwood one I have....the bone(which probably would sound the same as ivory), sounds okay but the wood one is better. The bone sounds almost like plastic, wouldn't say it's worth it. I would assume ivory has the same characteristics as bone?

kkrell · Post by **kkrell** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:11 pm

O_Gaiteiro_do_Chicago wrote:I would assume ivory has the same characteristics as bone?

No.

http://www.jayfisher.com/custom_knife_h ... _ivory.htm

"Ivories and tusks are unusually dense, some of the densest, hardest animal parts and remains. They are much less porous than bone, therefore last longer, are less apt to absorb liquids, and polish better."

http://www.maggiecp.co.uk/free_organic_ ... ories.html

"The material most commonly confused with ivory is bone. It has the same colour and in small pieces it may not be possible to discern any structure. However, almost all bone is hollow and cannot therefore be carved into solid figures. To construct an item from bone with a top and bottom (e.g. the box illustrated), there must be joins. Also, bone has a characteristic totally lacking in ivories: tiny, nutrient-bearing canals, called Haversian canals. These appear as dark dots in cross-section, and as little lines along the length of the material."

Also:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Real-Ivory-vs-B ... 0001279117

Kevin Krell

Berti66 · Post by **Berti66** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:24 pm

oohhh jon, you won the lottery, that you are after a flute of 11.000?

it is a BEAUT though......*drool*

berti

smoro · Post by **smoro** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:53 am

Am I the only one that prefers wood? I don´t like too much. Sorry.
S.

treeshark · Post by **treeshark** » Wed May 09, 2007 4:38 am

This is either identical or the same flute that Andrew Kirby owned, I saw it in the flesh, just amazing workmanship.