Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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Quick Question
Ive been out of Irish Music for years.
Recently I came across a Collection of written Reels and jigs that I enjoyed playing.
I'm thinking I might like to play them again and to that end I need an inexpensive whistle.
I'm not likely to play any Sessions, but would just play around the kitchen table and will be getting a C Whistle..
I'm thinking either a Freeman tweaked Generation C or a 2 piece Susato.
Your thoughts about which to get?
Or should I go ahead and buy both? :D
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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Horses for courses, but I prefer Jerry's whistles by far. I would also recommend considering a blackbird/mellow dog C (it is essentially the same whistle). Very easy to play, balanced across the octaves and with an incredible sound.
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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Ben Shaffer wrote:Quick Question
I'm thinking either a Freeman tweaked Generation C or a 2 piece Susato.
Your thoughts about which to get?
Or should I go ahead and buy both? :D
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Of corse buy both. Think about two singers that perform the same song or style of music. Both good vocals just a different voice.
I have three soprano whistles in C, Susatoe, diy tweaked Generation, and Feadog. I prefer the Susatoe when playing with the local community college choir. I really enjoy the acoustics in an old stone mission. No pa system needed.
When I want to hear a different voice I have the DIY tweaked Generation, Feadog and an OS Chieftain low C
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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If you're looking for a traditional-sounding C whistle, I'd vote for the Walton's nickel. I've tried at least a couple dozen, and owned two or three, and I've never found fault with one. The sound is robust and chiffy. (If you've ever played a Thin Weasel C, the Walton's is really not that far behind.) If you're looking for a pure sounding C, then the Susato is a really good choice.
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Another plug for freeman's mellow dog -- a great whistle for a great price.
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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As far as inexpensive whistles go, I'd recommend one of the older heavy wall Dixon C's, with the long head (not the new ones being sold that use a dixon trad head). Here is an example of a nice one: http://www.irishflutestore.com/dixon-heavy-wall-brass-c It is not very loud at all (nor super quiet, either), but it plays easily, nice octave transitions, good balance between the octaves without being too loud in the highest notes, and overall very nice, and imo sounds like a proper whistle. I have no stake in the website or sale of the whistle, that just happens to be an example I found online.


Freeman's whistles are also very very nice, though I really only prefer his D and Eb whistles. His bluebird and blackbird D and Eb whistles are especially nice. It depends on taste, but I don't care for the tone in the lower octave of my Blackbird C or tweaked Generation Bb. I'd rather play an untweaked Gen Bb (or one tweaked only with poster putty), or the aforementioned old dixon C over either one. I think the lower octave on his C and Bb that I own don't have enough roundness to the tone. I'm clearly in the minority, as many people do love his Bb and C whistles, so perhaps you would as well. It can't hurt try one. I will say the upper octave on all of his whistles sounds very nice and sweet, regardless of key, and none of them are bad whistles.

I'd hold off on the Susato C until you are back in the groove with Irish music.


Just my opinions, though. Any whistle is a step up from no whistle, so the important thing is to just obtain one and play it, regardless of what you choose. Generation Bb's are cheap enough and usually of great quality compared to other cheap whistles, so it never hurts to pick one of those up as well for playing around the house.
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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Aren't Susatos fairly loud? I find at home I prefer a quieter whistle.

I've been super-happy with my Freeman tweaked Generation D. Sweet sound; Strong bell-note; Clean upper register; Decent intonation across both registers (cross-finger C-natural is a little better than the 2-finger version, but I usually don't bother); Very easy to play quickly.
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Re: Susato C vs Freeman Generation C

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I can vouch for the Mellow Dog D/C set. The C plays easily through two full octaves; for Bb, OXXXOO works better than OXXOOO, which tends to play sharp.

Don't know about the Freeman tweaked Generation C, but his tweaked Generation Bb is a very nice whistle. Personally, I like the sound of it better than the Mellow Dog C, and the tuning seems more consistent, but it requires more of a push at the top of the second octave.
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