tompipes wrote:I'm not sure that the issue is pitch, but rather volume and tone.
There was a good amount of pitch changing involved in their innovations too in the sense that they made sets in the new concert pitch of A = 452 although there is at least one Taylor set out there that runs flat of that.
Kenna used the older pitch of A = 415 and even older A = 393ish.
By the way thats why those pipes are refered to as 'flat sets'. Its because they are flat of modern Concert D or Concert C (later Kenna and Coyne only made pipes in D and C, the pitch changed so we have C# and B as a result)
so technically a chanter in C# or B would be a flat chanter and but D, C, and Bb wouldn't be....
I wonder if the James Kenna set was made originally for a European customer. There are organs in parts of Germany from the time of Bach that are tuned to A = 435 and others as high as A = 480!!
I'd say the choir loved that!
Tommy
Tommy this is whit I posted back in 2003..It provoked a bit o friendly banter and I think the general consensus was that nobody gave a rats aerse..
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php ... ht=#148961
Post Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:15 am Post subject: Piping Terminology
I was wondering why nobody has picked up on the incorrect terminology used on the Regulators and Drones..Commonly and wrongly called Bass Baritone and Tenor.
If we take the Regs.Bass 1st..the lowest note on this is the G(assuming it is in the concert pitch of D)which is in the same register as the G string on a fiddle,which is of course a treble instrument ,and not a Bass.It is also the 2nd string of a Viola which is an Alto instrument.the Correct term for the Bass Regulator is therefore Alto Regulator
The so called Baritone and Tenor Regs should be correctly called Trebles.The Chanter is a Treble instrument and the middle register of the Violin(treble)both regulators cover the 1st register of the chanter so they are Trebles.
On to the drones.Bass.Baritone.Tenor-wrong again..as one octave seperates each pipe it should be Bass-Tenor -Treble.
Confused?? So are these...
Leo Rowsome in his Tutor terms
Drones.Bass.-Middle-Tenor
Regs Bass-Tenor-Treble(ist mention of treble)
Clarke Tutor,Armagh Tutor and Vallelys Companion to Irish Music all use the following
Drones Bass-Baritone(1st mention of Baritone)-Tenor
Regs Bass -Baritone-Tenor
Clearly a difference betwixt Rowesome and the rest!!
It would be more correct to use the term Big Middle and Small on regulators and drones rather than the incorrect and confusing Baritone et al.
The terminology between flat and concert pitch sets also seems to be blurred.
Modern Concert Pitch(post pianoforte) is in D. C and Bb ,C and Bb are also concert pitch,although a lot of pipers erroneously think of C and Bb as flat sets.
Baroque Pitch(pre pianoforte) is C#(the D of its day) and B which are correctly termed flat sets,because they are flat of modern concert pitch.DCand Bb are not.
I hope this clears up any confusion ye may have had.
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