Precisely, one way or the other. That's why stating facts is fine, and alerting everyone to a problem is fine. I trust people are smart enough to draw conclusions. But making unqualified accusations is not, when it involves using words with real world legal implications like scam - or fraud, crook, thief, rip-off etc. Not unless someone's prepared to pay Dale's legal fees for the privilege.m31 wrote:Who can really demonstrate 'verifiably dishonest', 'proof', or 'concrete' in the C&F court of law?
Rudall (possible) Scam
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Vivat diabolus in musica! MTGuru's (old) GG Clips / Blackbird Clips
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
Factual info:
The completed listing was in violation of eBay policy, offering USPS Media Mail on a non-media item.
Payment according to Radcliffe was requested by the Send Money function directly to a PayPal email address (not necessarily associated with the eBay account), rather than via PayPal through the eBay system. This can remove certain PayPal buyer protection that would otherwise normally apply to an eBay purchase.
This seller has also now listed a Monzani/Hill flute at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0591101547
Also in violation of eBay policy regarding shipping.
The Monzani serial # is from the flute illustrated on Rick Wilson's site:
http://www.oldflutes.com/articles/monzani.htm
The completed listing was in violation of eBay policy, offering USPS Media Mail on a non-media item.
Payment according to Radcliffe was requested by the Send Money function directly to a PayPal email address (not necessarily associated with the eBay account), rather than via PayPal through the eBay system. This can remove certain PayPal buyer protection that would otherwise normally apply to an eBay purchase.
This seller has also now listed a Monzani/Hill flute at
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0591101547
Also in violation of eBay policy regarding shipping.
The Monzani serial # is from the flute illustrated on Rick Wilson's site:
http://www.oldflutes.com/articles/monzani.htm
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Thanks, Kevin.
And Radcliffe and I had a very good exchange via PM, so I think we are all on the same page now.
And Radcliffe and I had a very good exchange via PM, so I think we are all on the same page now.
Vivat diabolus in musica! MTGuru's (old) GG Clips / Blackbird Clips
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
Thank you MrGuru,
your work is very much appreciated!!
the seller is now involved in a very long journey to Georgia by car.
it will take one month....
but fortunatly he can add new flutes on sale from his car...(well, so it seems!)
I've reported the situation to ebay yesterday, and I'd like to say that
the EBAY LIVE CHAT is a very very useful tool!
Ebay advice STRONGLY not to send any payment! (so this let me think that the
paypal's protection systems may not be SO powerful..., but who knows...)
I think that nothing is going to happen from now on, just ebay's routine on possible scammers.
So, please, always double check before send your precious money to
not verificated people!
bye!
your work is very much appreciated!!
the seller is now involved in a very long journey to Georgia by car.
it will take one month....
but fortunatly he can add new flutes on sale from his car...(well, so it seems!)
I've reported the situation to ebay yesterday, and I'd like to say that
the EBAY LIVE CHAT is a very very useful tool!
Ebay advice STRONGLY not to send any payment! (so this let me think that the
paypal's protection systems may not be SO powerful..., but who knows...)
I think that nothing is going to happen from now on, just ebay's routine on possible scammers.
So, please, always double check before send your precious money to
not verificated people!
bye!
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Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
Thankfully, they've learned how to post pictures to their auctions, in the instance of this Rickenbacker 12-string.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0592506036
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0592506036
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So he switchs to Guitars! I'm gonna send him an email, maybe I can get it Half Price!
(but just if I'll "pay it now"....)
(but just if I'll "pay it now"....)
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Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
i asked for and received a serial number he claims to be selling: 6013
happens to be a flute at the university of edinburgh museum.
always a good thing to ask that and check the database.....or simply ask me if i have it listed.
happens to be a flute at the university of edinburgh museum.
always a good thing to ask that and check the database.....or simply ask me if i have it listed.
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Rudall (possible) Scam
edit: okay bad joke deleted.
Last edited by m31 on Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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And "arbitrate doom" is an anagram of "bait moderator" ...
Vivat diabolus in musica! MTGuru's (old) GG Clips / Blackbird Clips
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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and "barmaid tooter".MTGuru wrote:And "arbitrate doom" is an anagram of "bait moderator" ...
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Hey, have you been spying on our session?m31 wrote:and "barmaid tooter".
Vivat diabolus in musica! MTGuru's (old) GG Clips / Blackbird Clips
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
I'll have to guess that Radcliffe is the one who gave Negative feedback for the seller, pushing the feedback to -1.
Re: Rudall (possible) Scam
seems likely
Picture a bright blue ball just spinning, spinning free
It's dizzying, the possibilities. Ashes, Ashes all fall down.
It's dizzying, the possibilities. Ashes, Ashes all fall down.