Wet airway problem..
Wet airway problem..
Hello to all!
I am still new to the Irish whistle, but boy am I having fun combining it with my guitar!
Anyway, does anyone know of a product or liquid substance to put into the whistle's airway to keep it from getting clogged with condensation? I find when playing into a mike with Reverb, having to blow out the airway is a very bad distraction- its very loud and gets REVERBERATED!
Any help or info would be a great help- THANKS!
I am still new to the Irish whistle, but boy am I having fun combining it with my guitar!
Anyway, does anyone know of a product or liquid substance to put into the whistle's airway to keep it from getting clogged with condensation? I find when playing into a mike with Reverb, having to blow out the airway is a very bad distraction- its very loud and gets REVERBERATED!
Any help or info would be a great help- THANKS!
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Re: Wet airway problem..
Very common problem. You could do a search (top right of the page) of the archives for the collected wisdom of the ages on this forum for clearing the windway.guitarman wrote:Hello to all!
I am still new to the Irish whistle, but boy am I having fun combining it with my guitar!
Anyway, does anyone know of a product or liquid substance to put into the whistle's airway to keep it from getting clogged with condensation? I find when playing into a mike with Reverb, having to blow out the airway is a very bad distraction- its very loud and gets REVERBERATED!
Any help or info would be a great help- THANKS!
The product called "duponol" is purpose made for what you describe. There are similar products as well. Soaps with sheeting action do the same thing. But really, just turn away from the microphone and spare us all those inglorious sound effects. And don't even think about shaking the whistle head out in the direction of your audience. They won't be impressed with the shower I am sure. Condensation is a fact of life with the whistle and you will learn to clear the clog silently and unobtrusively in time.
Good luck!
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Re: Wet airway problem..
woodwind, innit.....check out the lakes in front of the trumpet sectionFeadoggie wrote:Condensation is a fact of life with the whistle
if you put a finger over the wind way you can blow
'course ya have to move a hand and put it back
sucking is more common but less mentioned
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And warming the whistle head beforehand with body heat from hands, under arm, in pocket, or with a microwave or electric whistlebag (I'm kidding about the last two) helps minimize the temperature differences while the whistle warms to your gentle breath....
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Re: Wet airway problem..
Yes, sucking in is much easier. It doesn't make any awful sounds and doesn't require you to move your hand to cover the windway. With practice, you can do this right in the middle of a tune missing scarcely a beat.
Don't be squeamish-- that stuff you're sucking in was already in your mouth mere moments ago...
Don't be squeamish-- that stuff you're sucking in was already in your mouth mere moments ago...
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Re: Wet airway problem..
The longer and better you play the whistle, the less condensation is such an issue. When I first started, I did flick my whistle in the middle of a church service put fortuneately, I aimed for the aisle and not the congregation. Folks saw.
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Re: Wet airway problem..
I have used Duponol and it does seem to last longer than a soap/water mixture. It can be hard to find, but music shops specializing in recorders seem to have it.
Condensation was much more of a problem when I first started to play whistle. Now I only use Duponol on a couple of whistles that are very prone to condensation or when I expect to be playing in cold conditions. I'm not sure what has changed, but it's become much less of a problem.
And it's not because I am any smarter about warming up the whistles first.
Condensation was much more of a problem when I first started to play whistle. Now I only use Duponol on a couple of whistles that are very prone to condensation or when I expect to be playing in cold conditions. I'm not sure what has changed, but it's become much less of a problem.
And it's not because I am any smarter about warming up the whistles first.
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Courtly Music is a good online US source for Duponol. The 1.5 ounce bottle lasts a long time. Nice folks to deal with.
http://courtlymusicunlimited.com/Access ... ml#Duponol
http://courtlymusicunlimited.com/Access ... ml#Duponol
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Re: Wet airway problem..
BTW-- you don't need to use Duponol every time you play. Just once in a while when the whistle seems to be clogging more than usual.
Re: Wet airway problem..
I've also had good luck running a strip of waxed dental floss in the windway. The wax has the same effect as soap. If you get cinamon or mint floss, it will taste better than duponol.
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And I got it from someone else. Tradition!walrii wrote:Truth in Posting: I got this hint from MTGuru.
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Re: Wet airway problem..
Breathing entirely through the mouth and not the nose helps as does avoiding foods, especially sweet things for 15 -20 minutes before playing. I like to drink a cup of black coffee, or better yet black tea 30 minutes before playing - it seems to dry my mouth.
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That actually brings up something I have wondered about for a while. What do professional players do whose whistle has been sitting on stage (presumably cold). Are they just that good?Steve Bliven wrote:And warming the whistle head beforehand with body heat from hands, under arm, in pocket, or with a microwave or electric whistlebag (I'm kidding about the last two) helps minimize the temperature differences while the whistle warms to your gentle breath....
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I think they use the same techniques we all use. Most have been mentioned above. You don't have to watch too closely to see how they handle it. Most, if not all, will breath through the whistle to warm it up before they play, generally with a finger over the window. Some will keep the whistles wrapped in a cloth or towel when not being played. I've seen at least one heating pad used on stage to warm the little buggers. Some players use storage designed to insulate the whistles pretty well, I don't call myself a pro but, as an example, my whistle bags are made with a pocket for each whistle and lined with polar fleece to keep them warm. When an experienced pro plays you will see the occaisional movement away from the mic to clear a clog - some players suck, some players blow, some players shake it on out. But pros don't call attention to the act of clearing the condensation - they are pros after all. It also depends on the type of whistle you are playing. I played the solid aluminum style whistles for a while and then moved to whistles with all plastic or polymer lined heads as years went on. I guess the venues I played at were all on the colder side of the thermometer. The plastics are not as finicky as the solid metal heads, they don't shed heat as fast as the aluminum so they don't cause the condensation to form as easily. But the aluminum does heat up more quickly than the plastics if they are coming in from the cold winter air. Take your pick! But when the air temperature is cool and you blow warm breath into a whistle the physics is somewhat inevitable - droplets of moisture will condense out of that air.Mason wrote:What do professional players do whose whistle has been sitting on stage (presumably cold). Are they just that good?
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Re: Wet airway problem..
they tell amusing antidotes while warming up the thing
you can never have too many amusing antidotes
you can never have too many amusing antidotes
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