ennis ornament in the bucks

[dunnp]

Hello,
I am looking for a name or for information on an ornament.
I hear it in the Bucks of Oranmore on the third part. It's sort of a shake
on the f#. I don't have a sound file at the moment but I think I hear it in
Seamus Ennis' version and then again in Matt Molloy's and in the version Matt
Molloy and Liam O'Flynn play on Paul Brady's The Liberty Tapes. I am trying
to emulate it on flute with a sort of crann or bounce on F# but it's not quite right
can anyone describe or help with this bit? Thanks, Patrick

[MTGuru]

Listening to Matt Molloy on Matt Molloy ... I guess you mean the 2nd rep of the tune on the D part, the very first F#: ~f2df efdf ?

Yes, it's just a shake or trill between f# and g. He starts on the f#, then lands on it 2 more times. The exact timing would be close to: |f/g/ (3f/g/f/ df efdf|.

Don't know about Ennis, but hope that helps.

[Edit: PJ is right. Corrected for D part.]

[PJ]

From memory, Ennis plays lots of trills on the F# and E in the 4th part of the Bucks. As mentioned, he starts on the FGFGF (or something similar).

When I play a trill on the F#, I keep the E and Eb holes open throughout the entire trill. I'm not sure if this is how it should be done.

[Lorenzo]

Yeah, I think pj's right, its the 4th part (of 5). Some call it a quiver, or a shimmer. I've even heard it called doubling...apparently using two different grace notes, but not sure about that or which ones.

[MikeyLikesIt]

Ennis had a way of using his whole arm in his vibrato and trilling. i think an example of this can be seen on youtube with the "seamus ennis god of uilleann piping" clip. this may or may not be a key to getting that particular sound.

[JR]

I was never really fond of other pipers playing that ornament as it is such an Ennis thing to do. Great technique though. Give the F a shake as you play it and like all good ornaments use sparingly

[bensdad]

In The Master's Touch (Ennis's tutor) he called it the "shiver"

[Patrick D'Arcy]

In The Master's Touch (Ennis's tutor) he called it the "shiver"

Yes, just don't confuse for "The Scald" or "The Frost" ... they'll have a completely different effect.

PD.

[bensdad]

Now what do you call that little girl?
Ahh sure, the shiver, the shake, the delirium tremens
whatever you will sorr.

[Joseph E. Smith]

Now what do you call that little girl?
... the delirium tremens

I had no idea the DTs were female orientated... makes some sense though.

[bensdad]

Ok Joseph, I missed a comma that makes the meaning very different:
Now what do you call [i]that[/i], little girl?
Ahh sure, the shiver, the shake, the delirium tremens
whatever you will sorr.

You do get the reference I hope?

[Joseph E. Smith]

Ok Joseph, I missed a comma that makes the meaning very different:
Now what do you call that, little girl?
Ahh sure, the shiver, the shake, the delirium tremens
whatever you will sorr.

You do get the reference I hope?

Aye, wish I was back at the castle of Strawbunkle myself... those were good times, if a bit strange... hey, I may even have my old pair of hay-down-treaders in the closet somewhere...

[bradhurley]

I'm actually in the middle of composing a tune on the pipes called The Sheikh and the Sheaver, designed to feature this very ornament. If I ever get it done to my satisfaction I'll post a clip here.

[bensdad]

Amazing coincidence. I was also in the middle of composing a tune,
called the Quake and the Quiver.
Or was it the Lake and the Liver?
The Fake and the Fiver?
Never mind.

[bradhurley]

Amazing coincidence. I was also in the middle of composing a tune,
called the Quake and the Quiver.
Or was it the Lake and the Liver?
The Fake and the Fiver?
Never mind.

Well, there's always the Rake in the River, which some say is a close relative of The Floating Crowbar but it's not clear whether the rake in question was of the human or metallic variety.