I'd think someone who lives in Raleigh would appreciate the nuances of Elizabethan spelling!crookedtune wrote:How can you hang it in the petrified music museum if you can't engrave a proper sign for it? And God forbid a note should change! Sheesh, I hate these academic nitpickings.
Question - Slow Airs
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I'm gonna step out fer some aire....
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Going to go ride your hores, are you?Denny wrote:I'm gonna step out fer some aire....
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Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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Yeah, we've been to the future, and we disapproved. Seriously, the 'aire' thing is both historical and modern-ignorant-affected. (Kind of like 'old-tyme or old-timey music'). I see both sides on this one. Just blowing some smoke.MTGuru wrote:I'd think someone who lives in Raleigh would appreciate the nuances of Elizabethan spelling!crookedtune wrote:How can you hang it in the petrified music museum if you can't engrave a proper sign for it? And God forbid a note should change! Sheesh, I hate these academic nitpickings.
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denny, ya speeled "fer" rong.... it's fir, dang it
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Re: Question - Slow Airs
I stand corrected!
From my limited research, all I'd found were some place names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aire which arguably come from the French.
I hadn't come across the old spellings.
Nonetheless I stand by my assertion that it is only used by people to refer to slow airs if they are either 1) being careless with spelling or 2) clueless. (Or ironic, or as Kieran says, twee viewtopic.php?p=827388)
From my limited research, all I'd found were some place names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aire which arguably come from the French.
I hadn't come across the old spellings.
Nonetheless I stand by my assertion that it is only used by people to refer to slow airs if they are either 1) being careless with spelling or 2) clueless. (Or ironic, or as Kieran says, twee viewtopic.php?p=827388)
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Agreed!NicoMoreno wrote:Nonetheless I stand by my assertion that it is only used by people to refer to slow airs if they are either 1) being careless with spelling or 2) clueless. (Or ironic, or as Kieran says, twee viewtopic.php?p=827388)
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Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
Joel Barish: Is there any risk of brain damage?
Dr. Mierzwiak: Well, technically speaking, the procedure is brain damage.
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This topic has inspired me to to exclusively spell it "Aire."
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To aire is human.
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naw, I hadn't mucked stalls yetMTGuru wrote:Going to go ride your hores, are you?Denny wrote:I'm gonna step out fer some aire....
I don't ride, I drive!
there should be a joke or two in there somewhere.....
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Bey shur ta aire thy tyres ere ye goe.Denny wrote:I don't ride, I drive!
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I need to get solid ones.....someday
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Sorry you asked, Mason?
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English had no standardised spellings until the latter 17th century or so. Before then, people wrote what they heard, and reading aloud or moving their lips was how everyone--not merely children & morons--read.
Reading visually (recognising words as shapes) which every educated person does these days wasn't how the vast majority of (if not all ) people read. It requires standard spellings, which didn't exist. There are many medieval manuscripts in which the same word can have three different spellings on the same page. The text of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, for instance, can have multiple spellings of Gawain within a few lines. The elipsis below represents one 'fit' (stanza/verse/'unit' of poetry) that I left out, but the bolded words are both the name 'Gawain'.
Reading visually (recognising words as shapes) which every educated person does these days wasn't how the vast majority of (if not all ) people read. It requires standard spellings, which didn't exist. There are many medieval manuscripts in which the same word can have three different spellings on the same page. The text of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, for instance, can have multiple spellings of Gawain within a few lines. The elipsis below represents one 'fit' (stanza/verse/'unit' of poetry) that I left out, but the bolded words are both the name 'Gawain'.
Once you learn the unfamiliar letters þ & 3 and a couple of others not in this passage, and learn different pronounciation conventions, it's easier than you'd think to read & understand middle english, once you know the trick: The trick is to read it aloud and listen to yourself as you do so; that's how the contemporary scribe expected people to read. Do that, and baffling passages like After þe sesoun of somer wyth þe soft wyndez suddenly turn into After the season of summer with its soft winds. The only tricky part is the word "þe", (pronounced 'thay' with a hard th sound, like thomeone with a lithp ith thpeaking the word "say"), and that's only because it's a multi-purpose preposition that has several different meanings, some of which have different modern forms.After þe sesoun of somer wyth þe soft wyndez
Quen Zeferus syflez hymself on sedez and erbez,
Wela wynne is þe wort þat waxes þeroute,
When þe donkande dewe dropez of þe leuez,
To bide a blysful blusch of þe bry3t sunne.
Bot þen hy3es heruest, and hardenes hym sone,
Warnez hym for þe wynter to wax ful rype;
He dryues wyth dro3t þe dust for to ryse,
Fro þe face of þe folde to fly3e ful hy3e;
Wroþe wynde of þe welkyn wrastelez with þe sunne,
Þe leuez lancen fro þe lynde and ly3ten on þe grounde,
And al grayes þe gres þat grene watz ere;
Þenne al rypez and rotez þat ros vpon fyrst,
And þus 3irnez þe 3ere in 3isterdayez mony,
And wynter wyndez a3ayn, as þe worlde askez,
no fage,
Til Me3elmas mone
Wat3 cumen wyth wynter wage;
Þen þenkkez Gawan ful sone
Of his anious uyage.
[...]
Sir Doddinaual de Sauage, þe duk of Clarence,
Launcelot, and Lyonel, and Lucan þe gode,
Sir Boos, and Sir Byduer, big men boþe,
And mony oþer menskful, with Mador de la Port.
Alle þis compayny of court com þe kyng nerre
For to counseyl þe kny3t, with care at her hert.
Þere watz much derue doel driuen in þe sale
Þat so worþé as Wawan schulde wende on þat ernde,
To dry3e a delful dynt, and dele no more
wyth bronde.
Þe kny3t mad ay god chere,
And sayde, 'Quat schuld I wonde?
Of destinés derf and dere
What may mon do bot fonde?'
And now there was no doubt that the trees were really moving - moving in and out through one another as if in a complicated country dance. ('And I suppose,' thought Lucy, 'when trees dance, it must be a very, very country dance indeed.')
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Re: Question - Slow Airs
To summarise the definitions so far: 'air' (or ayr/ayre/aire etc) simply means 'tune' or 'melody'. 'Slow' means 'slow'.
So a 'slow air' is any tune played slowly.
The more interesting question is - which tunes sound good when played slowly?
If something is written that way - that is, the composer intends it to be a slow air - then it probably sounds good like that.
Many tunes have a 'best tempo', and don't sound right at any other speed.
The majority of tunes, however, can be successfully adapted to a completely different tempo, and you can make some surprising discoveries by trying things at a very slow speed.
'King of the Fairies' is a lively hornpipe, but Dave Swarbrick makes a stunning slow air out of it. Other hornpipes will take the same treatment, but not all make equally good slow airs.
'Spel-Gulle's Polska' is a Swedish tune my wife & I like to play really slowly, but actually we've no idea what speed it traditionally goes at.
If you know the old music-hall song 'When Father papered the parlour', you'll know it has a brisk tempo. It also makes a haunting slow air.
Any other examples?
So a 'slow air' is any tune played slowly.
The more interesting question is - which tunes sound good when played slowly?
If something is written that way - that is, the composer intends it to be a slow air - then it probably sounds good like that.
Many tunes have a 'best tempo', and don't sound right at any other speed.
The majority of tunes, however, can be successfully adapted to a completely different tempo, and you can make some surprising discoveries by trying things at a very slow speed.
'King of the Fairies' is a lively hornpipe, but Dave Swarbrick makes a stunning slow air out of it. Other hornpipes will take the same treatment, but not all make equally good slow airs.
'Spel-Gulle's Polska' is a Swedish tune my wife & I like to play really slowly, but actually we've no idea what speed it traditionally goes at.
If you know the old music-hall song 'When Father papered the parlour', you'll know it has a brisk tempo. It also makes a haunting slow air.
Any other examples?