In praise of flutes in the key of F
- Doug_Tipple
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In praise of flutes in the key of F
Thinking about the lovely F flute that Jem was advertising recently, I would like to learn more from readers of the flute forum about the musical contexts in which a flute in F would be used.
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=60503
As you know, the F flute is pitched 3 half-tones or a minor third above the standard Irish flute in low D. I don't think that there are many folk tunes that are written in this key (one flat), but, of course, if you are not playing with a group, you can play the F flute without being concerned with the actual pitch of the flute. In my opinion, the F flute is fast and fun to play. Although I rarely have anyone interested in an F flute, in the last few weeks I have had two orders for the flutes, which came as a surprise.
Not many instruments are pitched in F, although you do have alto recorders, Chinese dizi flutes, and Native American flutes, to name a few. Correct me if I am wrong, but Native Americans play in F because F is the pitch that is closest to the sound of nature.
To throw a commercial element into the post, here is a photo from my webpage showing the relative size of the cylindrical-bore F flute in comparison to D flutes that I make. One thing that is obvious from looking at the photo is that the smaller F flute has closer-spaced finger holes, which makes it easier to finger than the low D flute. I also have a recording of my F flute being used for ITM on the audio files page at my website.
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=60503
As you know, the F flute is pitched 3 half-tones or a minor third above the standard Irish flute in low D. I don't think that there are many folk tunes that are written in this key (one flat), but, of course, if you are not playing with a group, you can play the F flute without being concerned with the actual pitch of the flute. In my opinion, the F flute is fast and fun to play. Although I rarely have anyone interested in an F flute, in the last few weeks I have had two orders for the flutes, which came as a surprise.
Not many instruments are pitched in F, although you do have alto recorders, Chinese dizi flutes, and Native American flutes, to name a few. Correct me if I am wrong, but Native Americans play in F because F is the pitch that is closest to the sound of nature.
To throw a commercial element into the post, here is a photo from my webpage showing the relative size of the cylindrical-bore F flute in comparison to D flutes that I make. One thing that is obvious from looking at the photo is that the smaller F flute has closer-spaced finger holes, which makes it easier to finger than the low D flute. I also have a recording of my F flute being used for ITM on the audio files page at my website.
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Doug, I was actually surprised after recently making an F flute at how much the key seemed to suite it. I only made it so that I can practice on a smaller flute to save on the hand strain. But I am loving the flute overall. I think I would have a tough time reading music in that key because the fingering would be all different but for practice it obviously isn't a big deal.
From talking with many musicians about this it seems that some keys just sound more 'pleasant'. There is some aspect of the pitch being...heh...in tune with our ears.
I actually will eventually be playing my flutes at church and there are many songs in F, so it will be handy to have it. Obviously in ITM that is not the case, so I am curious as well to see what others say.
From talking with many musicians about this it seems that some keys just sound more 'pleasant'. There is some aspect of the pitch being...heh...in tune with our ears.
I actually will eventually be playing my flutes at church and there are many songs in F, so it will be handy to have it. Obviously in ITM that is not the case, so I am curious as well to see what others say.
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The main use of antique F flutes was/is of course flute military/marching bands where they are used in families of flat keys. Plenty of stuff elsewhere on all that. Also make life easier in other miltary-style bands where many of the other instruments are flat key orientated.
The second, slightly less nice but still pretty good F flute is still available, BTW! http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=60825
Remember these are transposing instruments - you call (and write) the 6-finger note D regardless of what it actually sounds, and so you can play everything you would on a D flute with the usual fingering - it will just sound a minor third higher on an F flute - no problem for a fretted strings accompanist who owns a capo! That won't please other melody players though, as they would have to transpose/learn the tunes with different fingering to match you - just the same as it would be for you if you try to play the tunes to sound at normal pitch on the transposing instrument.
If you do have to fit in with others playing tunes (hymns, whatever) at their normal pitches/in their normal keys and want to do it on F flute (or any other non D instrument) it is usually best to transpose your dots, though if you get good at it, sight transposition is a useful knack (wish I could do it!). You need to bear in mind that on a keyless flute you only have the usual group of closely related keys available unless you want to do loads of half-holing and cross-fingering (there have been plenty of threads on this point over on the Whistle Forum). On a keyed flute it is easier, but the equivalent keys in terms of fingering patterns as transposed will be awkward just as they are on a fully keyed D simple system flute. For example, the key of C on an F flute has D flute A major fingering, i.e. 3 "sharps", one extra in terms of the notes not in your basic diatonic home scale. In addition, because of the different tessitura (range) of the F flute, many tunes, even ones in keys that fit well on it, will run off the bottom or top and need adapting. It is often easier to play tunes truly in F on a C instrument (equivalent to G fingering on a D) than on an F one.
Breton flute players seem to make particularly good use of F flutes,but then, their native music world is dominated by the bombarde in Bb, so the advantages are obvious. Jean-Michel Veillon uses his a great deal.
I have never made huge use of my own F band flute - the occasional song accompaniment for which it happened to be a comfortable match, a few Welsh dance tunes that are in F, C, D minor or G minor and one or two tunes that I choose to play on it for its particular sonority...... I think I've posted some clips played on it on the Clips Thread a couple of times a while back, apart from the ones I've done recently for the F flutes for sale (those were all video clips and are on my Youtube channel.)
The second, slightly less nice but still pretty good F flute is still available, BTW! http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=60825
Remember these are transposing instruments - you call (and write) the 6-finger note D regardless of what it actually sounds, and so you can play everything you would on a D flute with the usual fingering - it will just sound a minor third higher on an F flute - no problem for a fretted strings accompanist who owns a capo! That won't please other melody players though, as they would have to transpose/learn the tunes with different fingering to match you - just the same as it would be for you if you try to play the tunes to sound at normal pitch on the transposing instrument.
If you do have to fit in with others playing tunes (hymns, whatever) at their normal pitches/in their normal keys and want to do it on F flute (or any other non D instrument) it is usually best to transpose your dots, though if you get good at it, sight transposition is a useful knack (wish I could do it!). You need to bear in mind that on a keyless flute you only have the usual group of closely related keys available unless you want to do loads of half-holing and cross-fingering (there have been plenty of threads on this point over on the Whistle Forum). On a keyed flute it is easier, but the equivalent keys in terms of fingering patterns as transposed will be awkward just as they are on a fully keyed D simple system flute. For example, the key of C on an F flute has D flute A major fingering, i.e. 3 "sharps", one extra in terms of the notes not in your basic diatonic home scale. In addition, because of the different tessitura (range) of the F flute, many tunes, even ones in keys that fit well on it, will run off the bottom or top and need adapting. It is often easier to play tunes truly in F on a C instrument (equivalent to G fingering on a D) than on an F one.
Breton flute players seem to make particularly good use of F flutes,but then, their native music world is dominated by the bombarde in Bb, so the advantages are obvious. Jean-Michel Veillon uses his a great deal.
I have never made huge use of my own F band flute - the occasional song accompaniment for which it happened to be a comfortable match, a few Welsh dance tunes that are in F, C, D minor or G minor and one or two tunes that I choose to play on it for its particular sonority...... I think I've posted some clips played on it on the Clips Thread a couple of times a while back, apart from the ones I've done recently for the F flutes for sale (those were all video clips and are on my Youtube channel.)
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And Flook. The Road to Errogie is easily fingered in G on an F flute.Thomaston wrote:I'd wager a guess that one of the more common contexts for an F flute/whistle is people that want to play along with Lunasa.
It's my reason, at least.
I think anymore there 's a lot of experimentation with "recasting" even old favorites in new keys and sonorities.* It's all about tone and timbre and texture, and other keys of flutes with their different voice qualities give you that.
Finally, besides those nifty voices, smaller flutes just fit so nicely in your hands; they're kind of ergonomic. And F flutes in particular seem about perfect for ripping out tunes at a great rate -- not too big, not too small, but just right.
Thus, I love my little bamboo Olwell F. Whee!
* "The Abbey Reel" as done on Mike McGoldrick/Sharon Shannon/Frankie Gavin's "Tunes" is an interesting example of a major makeover -- IIRC, it's fingered in Em on a Bb flute and feels WAY different from the Am Abbey Reel as I've known it -- but it's so cool!!!!
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Did Someone Say F Flute?
I've only currently got 3!
Left to Right: AULOS D Traverso (for Scale), Germanic (very much like a keyed traverso pitched in F), Austrian (fully lined head and surprisingly strong tone + wonderful Viennese embouchure) and Bamboo (really over bore, but has a pleasant tone in the lower range).
F Flutes = FUN!!!
They are just such a lark to play. They fit the hands wonderfully and are just soooo responsive. They possess a wonderful lyrical tone that is simply enchanting...
But in response to Doug's question, I simply play them to please my soul! I don't find the key particularly useful, just delightful! I've had several flutes in G (Useful Key), but I simply don't really like them nearly as much.
I've only currently got 3!
Left to Right: AULOS D Traverso (for Scale), Germanic (very much like a keyed traverso pitched in F), Austrian (fully lined head and surprisingly strong tone + wonderful Viennese embouchure) and Bamboo (really over bore, but has a pleasant tone in the lower range).
F Flutes = FUN!!!
They are just such a lark to play. They fit the hands wonderfully and are just soooo responsive. They possess a wonderful lyrical tone that is simply enchanting...
But in response to Doug's question, I simply play them to please my soul! I don't find the key particularly useful, just delightful! I've had several flutes in G (Useful Key), but I simply don't really like them nearly as much.
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IIRC, David took the measurements for his F from John's little F Hawkes. Talk about sweet little flutes!
Ironically, I think John told me this in the same conversation where he told me (mostly jokingly, I think) I couldn't play my F flute anymore because it would spoil me for the D flute.
But if you want to pretend you're Frankie Gavin, F's the way to go. It just rips. Zoooooom!!!!!!!!!!!
Ironically, I think John told me this in the same conversation where he told me (mostly jokingly, I think) I couldn't play my F flute anymore because it would spoil me for the D flute.
But if you want to pretend you're Frankie Gavin, F's the way to go. It just rips. Zoooooom!!!!!!!!!!!
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O'Carolan wrote quite a bit in one-flat keys. I play these on traverso, but most could probably be played on an F flute.
That said, I've never met an F instrument I liked. I've had a couple of F flutes, several F whistles (including Grinter and Water Weasel), and none of them clicked. If F is the key of nature, I guess I'm tone deaf and hear nature in G.
That said, I've never met an F instrument I liked. I've had a couple of F flutes, several F whistles (including Grinter and Water Weasel), and none of them clicked. If F is the key of nature, I guess I'm tone deaf and hear nature in G.
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Sharp as a knife!Clinton wrote:Or...you hear nature in a High Pitch F...chas wrote:...If F is the key of nature, I guess I'm tone deaf and hear nature in G.
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I wonder if it could be because it roughly covers the range of a just slightly deeper than average male voice. Many (?most) men have trouble humming tunes in the typical range D-b of an irish tune. Good lilters seem to have decent tenor voices. I hear the tunes in my head best over a range starting somewhere around F or G. Maybe F is the sound of nature because many people are tuned that way.
For me the musical context would be 'playing alone, enjoying the tunes'.
For me the musical context would be 'playing alone, enjoying the tunes'.
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F Flute
There's plenty of early examples of F flute playing too, on all of Matt M. albums etc.
It is reason enough just to play......
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii28 ... tensDF.jpg
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It is reason enough just to play......
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii28 ... tensDF.jpg
<a href="http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii28 ... tensDF.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii28 ... tensDF.jpg" border="0" alt="Prattens D & F"></a>
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Hi
I thought I'd share with you my new Billy Miller Bamboo flute in 'F'
[img][img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 ... s002-1.jpg[/img][/img]
Its a really nice flute and very easy to play.
I thought I'd share with you my new Billy Miller Bamboo flute in 'F'
[img][img]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii11 ... s002-1.jpg[/img][/img]
Its a really nice flute and very easy to play.
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