*********** A reminder about civility ******************

djm · Post by **djm** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:26 am

"Saloon" is the American equivalent of "pub".

djm

Ronbo · Post by **Ronbo** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:36 am

Don't think so, Deej. A saloon, if run properly, makes a pub look like a kiddie pool. In the old days, if you fancied a brawl, cards, cheap whiskey, raucus laughter, cheap women, and the occasional cutting and shooting, you went to a saloon. Except for certain parts of the country where dirt floors are still de riguer, they stopped calling them saloons decades ago. Took a lot of the fun out of it.

Pubs are a different matter altogether. They are supposed to serve food along with the drink.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:17 am

Ronbo wrote: Pubs are a different matter altogether. They are supposed to serve food along with the drink.

Yeah! Sometimes you can get packets of peanuts AND pickled eggs!

<...grumble grumble grumble...>

djm · Post by **djm** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:27 am

Ronbo wrote:Pubs are a different matter altogether.

Sorry, you are way off the mark, there. Bars/taverns/saloons were never called public houses (pubs) in the States as far as I know. That is a fairly recent innovation, with bar owners trying to find a label for their establishments to cash in on the exoticness of it.

djm

Post by **Nanohedron** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:55 am

djm wrote:
Ronbo wrote:Pubs are a different matter altogether.
Sorry, you are way off the mark, there. Bars/taverns/saloons were never called public houses (pubs) in the States as far as I know. That is a fairly recent innovation, with bar owners trying to find a label for their establishments to cash in on the exoticness of it.

djm

For what it's worth, "pub" has wormed its way into the Yank lexicon and out of exoticity by now, at least in some locales. I've overheard people use the term with some surprising regularity hereabouts, from well outside the ITM circle, and not in reference to Irish/Scottish/English-themed "bars-in-a-box" or the like.

Well, then. I say let's not call the Pub the Pub anymore. I vote for "The Shebeen".

djm · Post by **djm** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:34 am

I vote for "The Politically Correct Friendship Circle of Light Tea Room".

Let's all hold hands and sing It's A Small Small World.

djm

emmline · Post by **emmline** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:06 am

Well, it's true that not everyone liked it when Errol Flynn came to town and cleaned up Dodge City. But some of us wimminfolk find the atmosphere to our liking.

Martin Milner · Post by **Martin Milner** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:56 am

Nanohedron wrote:
djm wrote:
Ronbo wrote:Pubs are a different matter altogether.
Sorry, you are way off the mark, there. Bars/taverns/saloons were never called public houses (pubs) in the States as far as I know. That is a fairly recent innovation, with bar owners trying to find a label for their establishments to cash in on the exoticness of it.

djm
For what it's worth, "pub" has wormed its way into the Yank lexicon and out of exoticity by now, at least in some locales. I've overheard people use the term with some surprising regularity hereabouts, from well outside the ITM circle, and not in reference to Irish/Scottish/English-themed "bars-in-a-box" or the like.

Well, then. I say let's not call the Pub the Pub anymore. I vote for "The Shebeen".

You have English-themed pubs? Weird.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:02 pm

I saw an English-themed pub in Lexington once. I forgot what it was called but I remember that it had England's flag flying, which is what made me notice it.

missy · Post by **missy** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:14 pm

Martin Milner wrote:

You have English-themed pubs? Weird.

No - we have bar/restaurants that "pretend" they are English or Irish themed pubs. I got into an slight, ah, disagreement with the bartender at the "Fox and Hound" that is across the street from where I work. They have "Bud Light" happy hours. What the heck kind of pub would even serve Bud Light???

I won't even go into what the "Claddagh" pub calls "Irish" - one of their offerings is "Southern Irish Pulled Pork Sandwich"

mutepointe · Post by **mutepointe** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:29 pm

emm, you'd still like errol flynn if he smelled like andouillette.

crookedtune · Post by **crookedtune** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:56 pm

Actually, 'Publick House' was a common designation for taverns in colonial New England. It fell from common use, and circled back (again via the UK) in the form 'pub'. Some strive to mirror the styles that are common across the pond, and some don't. Some are comfortable, fun places to be (we have several such), and some are very phony. Pretty much like any other country, IMO.

djm · Post by **djm** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:17 pm

emmline wrote:Well, it's true that not everyone liked it when Errol Flynn came to town and cleaned up Dodge City. But some of us wimminfolk find the atmosphere to our liking.

Well, that's fair enough. If this is to be a lady's chat room on cooking sewing, raising children, etc. then it should advertise itself as such, and nasty bwutes wiff foul mouwfs would know to stay away.

(Nobody ever seems to remember that Errol Flynn left town soon after the saloon was turned into a tea room.)

djm

emmline · Post by **emmline** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:25 pm

djm wrote: If this is to be a lady's chat room on cooking sewing, raising children, etc...

Trust me on this: Errol isn't the only one who'd leave town if this happened.

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:10 pm

Martin Milner wrote:
Nanohedron wrote:
djm wrote: Sorry, you are way off the mark, there. Bars/taverns/saloons were never called public houses (pubs) in the States as far as I know. That is a fairly recent innovation, with bar owners trying to find a label for their establishments to cash in on the exoticness of it.

djm
For what it's worth, "pub" has wormed its way into the Yank lexicon and out of exoticity by now, at least in some locales. I've overheard people use the term with some surprising regularity hereabouts, from well outside the ITM circle, and not in reference to Irish/Scottish/English-themed "bars-in-a-box" or the like.

Well, then. I say let's not call the Pub the Pub anymore. I vote for "The Shebeen".
You have English-themed pubs? Weird.

We even have one here called "The Britannia Arms"...has Union Jacks all over the place and a red call box out front! But I do have to give them credit...unlike a lot of such places, the Arms is very true to its roots. It reminds me a great deal of some of the pubs we visited in England. No cask-conditioned, cellar-cooled ale, alas (I really developed a taste for good ale in London!), but the atmosphere is very true to type.

Our token "Irish pub" on the other hand, is a travesty. It's basically a fern bar that serves Guinness. Kind of like a ""Slug and Lettuce" that serves corned beef and cabbage. Nice enough for a restaurant, I guess...I'm told the food is very good...but the only thing Irish about it is the name: Rosie McCann's.

Redwolf