Ceili_whistle_man wrote:Am I missing something? Surely you can't say 'jigity-jig' for jig rhythm? jigity-jig sounds like the start of the sailor's hornpipe.
It should be 'jigity-jigity', shouldn't it?
Well actually, let's ride that little pet peeve for a minute: above I linked t oa recent thread in which example and discussion of the matter didn't get much reply when put forward. How about a straight forward comparison between the mechanical, formulaic rigid jiggetyjiggety or the one that recognises the structure and rhythm of a jig for what it is?
[edit] I have deleted the soundfiles. There was an incongruity of 2:1 in the number of download in favour of the example of the mechanical rhythm example, which defeats the whole point of the exercise
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Nice demonstration and clearly the phrased version is preferable, but how does that help the "non musical wife of a friend of" Keith in identifying the tune's rhythm?
Guinness wrote:Nice demonstration and clearly the phrased version is preferable, but how does that help the "non musical wife of a friend of" Keith in identifying the tune's rhythm?
It won't. I am continuing the previous discussion and am looking at the wider issue of playing jigs. Jiggety jiggety is not a helpful approach for playing jigs.
Guinness wrote:Nice demonstration and clearly the phrased version is preferable, but how does that help the "non musical wife of a friend of" Keith in identifying the tune's rhythm?
It won't. I am continuing the previous discussion and am looking at the wider issue of playing jigs. Jiggety jiggety is not a helpful approach for playing jigs.
As I said, just entertaining a pet peeve.
I agree - my knowledge of jigs isn´t somehow vast, but I can clearly see there are very different sounding jigs, even with different articulation, so one "jigity jigity" can´t absorb all of them.
To go back to the original question, when I first started putting names to the different types of Irish dance tunes, I used to identify hornpipes as the ones that went "Humpty-Dumpty Humpty-Dumpty..." (I liked those best) and jigs as the ones that went "Tweedle-de Deedle-de...". And reels were the ones I didn't like, 'cos they sounded like too many notes played too fast. Not sure how helpful that last bit will be to your friend's wife...
Noel
(who's finally started to see how reels might be fun...)
Here's a final edit to my old post summing up all the onomatopoeic suggestions on this topic:
There seems to be two threads going here – the original one about the onomatopoeic sounds we might be able to use as a rule of thumb to help non musical ears differentiate between ITM tunes, and a second theme that’s attached itself to the main one: a technical discussion implying a correct way to play jigs.
The second thread will go on for ever. But the first thread has produced the following:
Jigs : jiggety-jiggety, jiggety-jiggety, jiggety-jiggety, or
jiggety-jig x 3 or
tweedledee x 3 or
watermelon x 3 or
A jiggity jiggity; It's a jiggity jig
Personally, in only this one instance, I agree with Bloomfield and wish to thank him for making me think of watermelon whilst playing Dunmore Lasses, Magical Priest, or the Flagstone of Memories - something I never would have gotten to on my own..ah, Bloomie...
Philo
"This is this; this ain't something else. This is this." - Robert DeNiro, "The Deer Hunter," 1978.
Peter Laban wrote:How about a straight forward comparison between the mechanical, formulaic rigid jiggetyjiggety or the jiggetyjig that recoginises the structure and rhythm of a jig for what it is?
How about something like: "A jiggity-jig, It's a jiggity-jig" - which captures the phrase-leading structure I think you're hinting at.
FWIW, I think the onomatopoeic phrase thing is fun but kinda silly anyway.
Peter Laban wrote:How about a straight forward comparison between the mechanical, formulaic rigid jiggetyjiggety or the jiggetyjig that recoginises the structure and rhythm of a jig for what it is?
How about something like: "A jiggity-jig, It's a jiggity-jig" - which captures the phrase-leading structure I think you're hinting at.
FWIW, I think the onomatopoeic phrase thing is fun but kinda silly anyway.
How about "The praties are dug and the frost is all over; Kitty lie over close to the wall."
To market, to market, to buy a fat pig,
Home again, home again, jiggity-jig.
To market, to market, to buy a fat hog,
Home again, home again, jiggity-jog.
MTGuru wrote:To market, to market, to buy a fat pig,
Home again, home again, jiggity-jig.
To market, to market, to buy a fat hog,
Home again, home again, jiggity-jog.
jigity-jig sounds like the start of the sailor's hornpipe.
