identify this Uilleann finger movement

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identify this Uilleann finger movement

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Hey guys I'm a new Uilleann piper (well I will be in about a week)

I keep hearing on different recording a movement that I would like yall to Identify. I've been playing the GHB for about 10 years and its similar to the 'edre' movement. Basically its a rapid movement of two fingers going to a different note.

Also similar to the 'Bubbly' note in GHB music.

Can anybody tell me what this sound is and how it is made.

Here is an example on this pipers video at 0:49 http://youtube.com/watch?v=QzVQTm9-vEE

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I found the video clip extremely irksome to play as it kept stopping and starting.
I think ye might be referring to triplets but then again ye might not.As the name implies it is the playing of three notes in staccato fashion (although the last note may be played slightly legato) keeping in time to the melody.
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I believe you are hearing a tight triplet.
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Post by pancelticpiper »

OK, I see what you mean (being a converted GHB player myself).
One movement, indeed, uses exactly the same fingers in the same sequence as the GHB "bubbly note". It's pretty much the ONLY ornament that's exactly the same on both instruments.
It's fingered:
x xxx oxxx
x xxx xxxx
x xxx xoxx
x xxx xxxx
x xxx xxoo
which produces a staccato G and F# going to a final E, almost always played in the upper octave.
Uilleann pipers would call this a GFE staccato triplet.
Note that on these "staccato" triplets the last note of the three is almost always legato/open. It's the first two notes that are staccato, and sometimes only the middle note is staccato.
The other "staccato triplet" heard in that YouTube clip is:
x xxx xxoo
x xxx xxxx
x xxx xoxx
x xxx xxxx
x xxx xxoo
which is an "EFE" (or more accurately EF#E) triplet, also in the upper octave.
Uilleann piper do use a movement nearly the same as the GHB "edre", however the index rather than the middle finger is used:
x xxo xxxx
x xxx xxxx
x oxx xxxx
x xxx xxxx
x xxo xxxx
which is called an "ECE" (properly EC#E) triplet, played in the low octave.
Others of this type are BCB (properly BC#B, low octave), FGF (F#GF#, high octave), BCD (BC#D, low octave to back D), and FGA (F#GA, low octave).
All of these things are vaguely like grips, edres, and bubbly notes on the GHB.
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Sounds like a tight E, F#, G (or maybe D, E, F#) triplet.
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EGE, may be
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Post by eskin »

I hear two closed piping ornaments there, a ACA triplet at 0:49 and an EGE second octave triplet later around 0:51
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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll try it out with the new practice set....well not right away. :D
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