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Nanohedron wrote: Yes, but is that good or bad?
City folk would probably regard them as "country hicks", or rather "island hicks", but it's one of those things where the population have now started to take pride in their heritage and use the term themselves with no negative connotations.

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Nanohedron wrote: Yes, but is that good or bad?
City folk would probably regard them as "country hicks", or rather "island hicks", but it's one of those things where the population have now started to take pride in their heritage and use the term themselves with no negative connotations.
Thanks. Just found this (from provincialists.com; finding English-language sites on the subject has been a bear):
City craftsmen were often organised in various unions, while those living outside the city were referred to as “striler”. The name “stril” was a pejorative description of farmers and fishermen living beyond the Bergen city limits. One definition of a “stril” was a person who could row to the city in one day. They rowed to Bergen to sell fish and other goods and were considered different from city folk. A stereotypical “stril” had characteristic clothing, strong dialect, and a short, stocky body with very long arms from all the rowing. Despite the apparent animosity, there was a mutually beneficial relationship between the city and the surrounding areas.
I wonder about the etymology.
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Uffda, this thread is making my head spin.
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I.D.10-t wrote:Uffda, this thread is making my head spin.
Spoken like a northern Midwest Scando.
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Nanohedron wrote:
I.D.10-t wrote:Uffda, this thread is making my head spin.
Spoken like a northern Midwest Scando.
naw! Dem Scandos are here too!
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Denny wrote:
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I.D.10-t wrote:Uffda, this thread is making my head spin.
Spoken like a northern Midwest Scando.
naw! Dem Scandos are here too!
Do they say "uff da", too?
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Nanohedron wrote:
Denny wrote:
Nanohedron wrote: Spoken like a northern Midwest Scando.
naw! Dem Scandos are here too!
Do they say "uff da", too?
oh yeah :lol:

most towns, this far north of Seattle, have a street named Division Street....the Norwegians were on one side and the Swedes on the other. Most of the downtown areas have converged over the years....most :)
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Whoah. Heckuva deal, there, ya know?

"Division Street".....no kidding...

Reminds me of a Norwegian definition of the difference between Swedes and Norwegians: Norwegians bellow robustly when they laugh (Hor hor har har hor), and Swedes laugh thinly through their noses (Hnn hnn hnn hnn). I don't buy it. I knew one Norwegian American who'd chuckle in a sly way that made you want to watch your back.
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no kidding :)

I'll spare ya the proof as you're on dial-up. :wink:
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Nanohedron wrote: Cool: I see sraoille means "slattern" - a great word in itself.

Have a good bit of occasion to use this one, do you? :lol:
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Nanohedron wrote: Cool: I see sraoille means "slattern" - a great word in itself.

Have a good bit of occasion to use this one, do you? :lol:
Good grief...what must you think of me? Using it would be bad form; "biting the hand...", and all that. :wink:
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Redwolf wrote:
I don't know if this is the case in other states, but in Washington it was typical to refer to the practice of not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign as a "California stop." Here in California, where they're actually much less common than they were when I was growing up in Washington, they're called "roll-through" or "rolling" stops.

Spokane also has the Midwestern habit of referring to fizzy soft drinks as "pop." Here in California, the word is "soda." Poor Johanna used to get so confused when we'd visit my folks and my mom would ask her if she wanted a "pop," as that's the word we used for a light, admonishing slap on the rear-end!

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I disagree with a few and I'm from here, fwiw. We have always called rolling stops, "Hollywood stops." Where I grew up, (Martinez), everything was a "Coke" or the actual brand name of the soda. Tom Hanks, who grew up in Oakland made a whole routine about calling everything a Coke. He is my age, almost exactly, I think...
I never heard anybody say "pop" though. Or soda. When I was little, I thought "soda fountain" sounded mysterious.

I can't think of any other unique terms off hand, except that anyone from Bakersfield north, calls San Francisco "the City." And in print, it gets capitalized.

I am thinking about this now, maybe I'll come up with a few...

Editing in: I have noticed that in California, we don't use the word "pond" too much, except for very tiny bodies of water. I was surprised to see Walden Pond back east. We would call that a lake. We use the word reservoir more, probably because we are a dry state and use so many of them. I guess it's because we don't really have too many ponds, except up in the Sierra, but even tiny ones up there are called lakes.

We rarely use the word "farm" in California, though we have farming. If beef cattle are raised, it's a ranch. If dairy cattle, it's a "dairy" without the word "ranch" unless the person is specifically distinguishing it in a sentence. If you see a farm that is obviously raising fruit for example, you say they have "orchards." it's almost like the word "farm" is missing in action, without a good substitute, and even though you sometimes use the word farming, as a verb.

"Farm" just doesn't sound like a California word. Weird, huh? Of course, it's our Spanish heritage of ranchos, but it's still peculiar.

Most typically, you refer to the crop the person is raising, and that actually includes dairy cattle. You would say "I raise (or grow) artichokes" rather than say, "I farm artichokes." And people often say, "I raise dairy cows" without ever using the word farm or ranch. If pushed, they will say "dairy ranch" not dairy farm.

Now with the hi-falutin organic-y joints, they are using the word "farm" much more. The usage has changed, but I am giving you the usage of my age group and before.
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[quote="Nanohedron"]Whoah. Heckuva deal, there, ya know?

"Division Street".....no kidding...
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Philly' s 'Division St' has houses only on one side! :D I wonder what happened :P
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seems to be a different kind of division :lol:
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The Weekenders wrote: I disagree with a few and I'm from here, fwiw. We have always called rolling stops, "Hollywood stops." Where I grew up, (Martinez), everything was a "Coke" or the actual brand name of the soda. Tom Hanks, who grew up in Oakland made a whole routine about calling everything a Coke. He is my age, almost exactly, I think...
I never heard anybody say "pop" though. Or soda. When I was little, I thought "soda fountain" sounded mysterious.

I can't think of any other unique terms off hand, except that anyone from Bakersfield north, calls San Francisco "the City." And in print, it gets capitalized.
I grew up near Redding, CA - about 3 hours drive NE from San Francisco. Up there, I never recall hearing "Coke" for "soft drink". "Soda" (most often) or "Pop" (occasionally) were the preferred terms.

Definitely "The City" for San Francisco, though. After all, it's the only *city* (as opposed to an oversized suburb) in the state ;) A former coworker from Brooklyn agreed with the local usage, for just that reason - it was the only city in California that had achieved its modern size and population levels before the invention of the automobile.

And I agree with your edited-out observation regarding "farm" being missing in action. I grew up on a (very small - only about 40 acres) beef operation, which was definitely a "ranch". Before I was born, my grandparents had raised dairy cattle there, but it had never been called a "farm".

But - go figure! - we subscribed to a statewide publication called "California Farmer" that almost never used the word "farm" to describe a specific property. "Cattle Ranch" (for beef), "Dairy", "Orchard" . . . As I recall, the most often used generic term was "Operation", as used above - (another example: "Fred has a beef operation in the Sierras"). And someone who might call himself a "Farmer" in other parts of the country would call himself a "Grower" instead. "I'm an almond grower" or "I'm a rice grower".
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