Scots Gaelic speakers?

CHasR · Post by **CHasR** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:31 am

Ciamar a tha sibh! Tha beag Gaelic agad.

Any one willing to teach me the important words???
I need to begin expressing certain phrases in another language...
PM me of course.

Tapaidh Leat!

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:50 am

There's lots of books and tapes on Scots Gaelic. In fact, anything you see that calls itself "Gaelic" is probably Scottish, as Irish Gaelic is normally referred to simply as "Irish".

How intense are you on learning Gaelic? There are summer schools in Nova Scotia that teach this.

djm

fearfaoin · Post by **fearfaoin** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:21 am

CHasR wrote:Ciamar a tha sibh! Tha beag Gaelic agad.

Tha mi gu math, tapadh leibh. Ciamar a tha sibh, fein?
Tha Gàidhlig glè bheag agamsa.

There are a few resources here:
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/ionnsachadh/

Here's an online dictionary from Sabhal Mòr Ostaig (the Gaelic
college in Scotland). If you're putting in an English word to get
translated into Gaelic, make sure the drop-down box says "Beurla"
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/faclair/sbg/lorg.php

CHasR · Post by **CHasR** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:21 am

fearfaoin wrote:
CHasR wrote:Ciamar a tha sibh! Tha beag Gaelic agad.
Tha mi gu math, tapadh leibh. Ciamar a tha sibh, fein?
Tha Gàidhlig glè bheag agamsa.

There are a few resources here:
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/ionnsachadh/

Here's an online dictionary from Sabhal Mòr Ostaig (the Gaelic
college in Scotland). If you're putting in an English word to get
translated into Gaelic, make sure the drop-down box says "Beurla"
http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/gaidhlig/faclair/sbg/lorg.php

'S math sin! Tha mi gu doigheil, chan eil cail as ur. (besides the fact I can t find accented vowels on my computer) I will hit those sites!

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:28 am

There's a couple of ways to get the extra characters with accents. One way is to select a keyboard mapping other than American English, but this will require you to memorize a whole bunch of complicated key combinations. I found it easier to just create a written list of ALT sequences and stick it on the side of my monitor. Here's how:

If you are using Windows, there's a utility that you can link a shortcut to your desktop called Character Map (C:\WINDOWS\system32\charmap.exe). Select a comprehensive font like Times New Roman. This has just about any character you will ever need. Place your cursor over any character and you will get the numeric code that goes with it in a little pop-up box. Hold down the Alt key and type in the numeric code.

For Gaelic letters, these are:

Á = Alt + 0193
É = Alt + 0201
Í = Alt + 0205
Ó = Alt + 0211
Ú = Alt + 0218

á = Alt + 0225
é = Alt + 0233
í = Alt + 0237
ó = Alt +0243
ú = Alt +0250

Hope that helps,

djm

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:29 am

CHasR wrote:'S math sin!

You know, I've always wondered how much Celtic languages have affected English; I know of things absorbed from the Irish/Scots Gaelic like "galore", "bloke", "slogan", "slew", etc., but I figure there might be a lot more than one might think. For instance, the above sounds a lot like "smashing". Coincidence?

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:34 am

Very helpful, Deej, but you've only provided the diacritics for Irish. Scots Gaelic has both acute and grave accents. I suppose that's to get back at the Irish for that scary eclipsis thing they do in writing.

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:35 am

"is mashín" means wonderful. It is the source of the English term, "smashing," and for the epithet "Smasher."

djm

Cass · Post by **Cass** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:55 am

Hi CHasR,
Found just what you are looking for! Look at your PM's.

Cass.

djm · Post by **djm** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:35 am

Nano wrote:you've only provided the diacritics for Irish

You're right, but I've also given the method, so that anyone can do something similar to meet whatever their needs demand.

We are all looking at CHasR's PM. Not sure how that is supposed to help, Cass.

djm

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:42 am

djm wrote:We are all looking at CHasR's PM. Not sure how that is supposed to help, Cass.

djm

Yes, most cryptic indeed.

fearfaoin · Post by **fearfaoin** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:51 am

CHasR wrote:(besides the fact I can t find accented vowels on my computer)

I used to be on a mailing list called Gaidhlig4U, for beginners, and
since you couldn't be assured that diacriticals would be universally
displayed, the standard was to put a backslash after the vowel to
denote that it should have the grave accent, slash for the acute accent.

So, dòigheil would be written as do\igheil.

Nanohedron wrote:You know, I've always wondered how much Celtic languages have affected English

Not surprisingly, banshee is from the Irish "bean sídhe", or fairy woman.

CHasR · Post by **CHasR** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:32 pm

Cass wrote:Hi CHasR,
Found just what you are looking for! Look at your PM's.

Cass.

Tha e d`ireach ceart, Cass!!! Tapaidh leat!
Nanohedron, also Moccasin; "mo Casan' (my feet)
them accents are a pain in the mas

to do , djm...not a task for 'an drasda'...maybe tomorrow

Post by **Nanohedron** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:06 pm

CHasR wrote:Nanohedron, also Moccasin; "mo Casan' (my feet)

Okay, not to nitpick, but I think THAT'S a coincidence based on an apocryphal story.

"moccasin etymology
[Of Virginia Algonquian origin; akin to Powhatan mäkäsn, shoe, and Ojibwa makisin.]" (from yourdictionary dot com)

"1612, from an Algonquian language of Virginia, probably Powhatan makasin "shoe" (cognate with Ojibwa makizin, Narragansett mokussin, Micmac m'kusun). The venomous snake of southern U.S. is perhaps a different word." (from etymonline dot com)

Coffee · Post by **Coffee** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:19 pm

Here's another site that may or may not be useful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/alba/fogh ... air_bheag/

One unfortunate problem for learning it though is finding others to parlay in Gàidhlig with. Not a lot of that going on in Suffolk, England I can tell ya that.

O mo craigh se as thainig.