head butting

mutepointe · Post by **mutepointe** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:30 pm

hey folks:

i was just watching cold case and saw a guy head butt another guy. i think head butting looks awesome. does this not hurt the butter as much as the buttee? do only people with thick skulls tend to use this tactic? wouldn't a fist upside the head be even more powerful with less pain to the attacker?

i'm a lover not a fighter, so i don't know.

crookedtune · Post by **crookedtune** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:05 pm

I'm not sure about that. I do know that for some people, head and butt are pretty much interchangable.

Steamwalker · Post by **Steamwalker** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:25 pm

Actually, punching someone can be quite painful for the puncher.

If one uses the right part of the head to headbutt, it shouldn't really be painful. Anyone remember the movie Gladiator (the one with Cuba Gooding, Jr., not Russel Crowe)?

Redwolf · Post by **Redwolf** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:54 pm

I've done head butts. They're really not all that bad, if done correctly.

Redwolf

djm · Post by **djm** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:56 pm

A head butt to the nose or eyebrow can be devastatingly painful, whereas you are just as likely to break your hand punching someone in the head as hurting them. If you must use a hand to the head, an open palm can be just as useful and less risk of hurting yourself.

djm

feadogin · Post by **feadogin** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:01 pm

My baby head butts people all the time & it doesn't seem to hurt him one bit. It hurts me, though.

J.

chrisoff · Post by **chrisoff** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:14 am

So I Married An Axe Murderer wrote:You know, Scotland has its own martial arts. Yeah, it's called Phook You. It's mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they're on the ground.

BigDavy · Post by **BigDavy** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:26 am

Hi deej

Too right about the punch to the head, your hand ends up 3 times it's usual size

much better to use a palm or clawing attack.

As to the "Glasgow Kiss" if you get it right it can be very effective, but it is easy to defend against. Drop your chin onto your chest, if you see it coming, and his face impacts on your forehead instead of the other way round.

David

Sylvester · Post by **Sylvester** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:49 am

Phook-you Training School

They say something about Australia, but it's actually somwhere further up Ullapool, Scotland. Some Hieland Gathering, I guess.

djm · Post by **djm** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:52 am

BigDavy wrote:your hand ends up 3 times it's usual size

A friend ended up with pins holding his thumb together after a thoughtless bout in a bar brawl. Obviously, that was from holding his fist wrong in the first place, but he bruised the rest of the hand up pretty good, too. I don't know what it is that makes the head such an attractive target, but its one of the poorest for actually making your adversary quit and go away - too well protected.

djm

chrisoff · Post by **chrisoff** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:06 am

I've broken my hand a number of times from punching people in the head (in self defence).

I found the answer was to go to martial arts classes, now I can break my foot instead.

buddhu · Post by **buddhu** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:08 am

On the whole, combat is best avoided. One can never reliably predict the outcome... victory, defeat, injury, death, arrest, imprisonment etc etc etc.

That said, many martial arts clubs incorporate streetfighting/bodyguarding techniques in the stuff available to advanced students. The headbutt is one such technique.

It is an "emergency" technique in the same way that "sacrifice throws" might be regarded as such. The latter is a class of Judo or Ju Jitsu throw where the thrower compromises his own balance in order to upend an opponent. An inherently risky ploy. The headbutt is only practical at very close quarters, so to employ it one must be dangerously close to the opponent.

My own preference has always been for the Korean arts with their emphasis on kicking techniques. The legs are longer than the arms, so it is possible to keep more distance between oneself and an opponent.

My all-time favourite leg technique for keeping an appropriate distance between myself and an opponent is to run like hell.

djm · Post by **djm** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:13 am

buddhu wrote:My all-time favourite leg technique for keeping an appropriate distance between myself and an opponent is to run like hell.

Yes, the best self-defense is to not be there in the first place. If you are in a situation where you could seriously get your butt kicked then you must have put yourself there in the first place. Awareness is the greatest skill to hone.

djm

chrisoff · Post by **chrisoff** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:15 am

djm wrote:If you are in a situation where you could seriously get your butt kicked then you must have put yourself there in the first place.

Not necessarily.

Coffee · Post by **Coffee** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:22 pm

I find that leg techniques that aim above the knee can merely give the opponent a nice lever with which to use the floor against you. I of course use them in point sparring (two points for head kicks! all over that) but for actual defense probably not that useful, save for putting as much distance between onself and an attacker. Unless they can run faster that is.