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TelegramSam · Post by **TelegramSam** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:25 am

Hm, hm (gurur brahma)
Hm, hm (gurur vishnu)
Hm, hm (gurur devo)
Hm, hm (maheshwara)

Not so sure you got that part right, mate.

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:35 am

Chiffed wrote:It could be argued that all music is religious music.

I've heard people say this before, and it baffled me then, too. I don't see how one could feasibly argue that all music is religious music.

Am I missing something?

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:28 am

Congratulations wrote:
Chiffed wrote:It could be argued that all music is religious music.
I've heard people say this before, and it baffled me then, too. I don't see how one could feasibly argue that all music is religious music. Am I missing something?

Probably...but it's difficult to describe. I've tried it before. It's like describing the color red (or blue, purple, or orange) to a person who's been blind from birth. It's extremely difficult, but you know it's a real phenomenon because you've experienced it yourself. Some people just don't experience it, for whatever reasons. That doesn't necessarily make you less of a musician, however.

gonzo914 · Post by **gonzo914** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:41 am

Cranberry wrote:
Congratulations wrote:
Chiffed wrote:It could be argued that all music is religious music.
I've heard people say this before, and it baffled me then, too. I don't see how one could feasibly argue that all music is religious music. Am I missing something?
Probably...but it's difficult to describe. I've tried it before. It's like describing the color red (or blue, or orange) to a person who's been blind from birth.

Perhaps one has to be religious in the first place to perceive all music as being religious, just as one must be sighted to appreciate the difference between blue and violet. Then again, perhaps the difficulty in describing this hypothesis stems from its being just flat-out wrong.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:42 am

gonzo914 wrote:
Cranberry wrote:
Congratulations wrote: I've heard people say this before, and it baffled me then, too. I don't see how one could feasibly argue that all music is religious music. Am I missing something?
Probably...but it's difficult to describe. I've tried it before. It's like describing the color red (or blue, or orange) to a person who's been blind from birth.
Perhaps one has to be religious in the first place to perceive all music as being religious, just as one must be sighted to appreciate the difference between blue and violet. Then again, perhaps the difficulty in describing this hypothesis stems from its being just flat-out wrong.

I experienced it before I was religious. I've played music long before I became religious.

Tyler · Post by **Tyler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:45 am

Well... to argue from one point of the idea...
I can't seem to find it, but I read an article in the SL Trib that reported on a study done at one of our universities here that had found that music and religion stimulate some common portions of the brain...
So, I can easily see how someone can feel that all music is religious, etc.
I certainly won't say they're wrong, just that it can be explained in an easy way.

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:46 am

The problem might be that I don't think I've had a "religious" experience, so I've got no yard stick. Nonetheless, if we're saying that music can evoke emotions similar to those one might experience with religion, then I might go along with that. But saying all music is religious seems an odd way to articulate that.

Meh. I'm overthinking.

Tyler · Post by **Tyler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:48 am

Congratulations wrote:The problem might be that I don't think I've had a "religious" experience, so I've got no yard stick. Nonetheless, if we're saying that music can evoke emotions similar to those one might experience with religion, then I might go along with that. But saying all music is religious seems an odd way to articulate that.

Meh. I'm overthinking.

i think it all boils down to the fact that religion is relative. The closer it is to a dense source of gravity, the slower it appears to move, and whatnot...(ok, just kiddin')

rh · Post by rh » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:49 am

Whatever other values it may have, it is difficult to construe this as religious:

Tha Dogg Pound wrote:Smoked and loaded and f****d up by a locked up
On some n****z who try to get buck
In the fashion, the blastin, it's hard to imagine
Not cashin no n****z who be actin like b******s
What do I do, but call my n****z and my crew to come
do what they do, and put they work on you
See me automatic, cause static, static's inatic of a gun-play
Like everyday, all day
You want trouble? Ha-ha, let's bring the fan
and Daz you blast, so donate b***h a**
Adios as his a** got smoked
and f****d the wrong n***a now his a** is goast
I smoke a blunt and stick my d**k in some c**t (ahh AHH!)
To me and my homeboy's, ya just some punks, haha
Who really want it? N***a come get it
Slowly but surely, homey you ain't never forget it
How many times I gotta say somethin, I'm f****n wit mine
Livin the life of crime where it's do or die
Y'all n****z don't really want none of this
We the s**t, but ya f****d ya crew, b***h!

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:50 am

Tyler · Post by **Tyler** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:50 am

Hey, like I said, it's all relative!

djm · Post by **djm** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:55 am

The difference is that music does not require any belief system to justify or interpret it. It is a direct experience. You may call a direct experience a "religious experience" but the fact is that the experience itself requires no explanation or "belief system" to interpret it. The experience stands alone as it is. Only the various layers of mental filters unique to each of us can alter or colour the memory of the experience. The thing itself remains exactly what it was at the time it occurred. The trick is to be able to perceive and remember the experience without the filters.

djm

gonzo914 · Post by **gonzo914** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:01 am

I would submit that rather than saying that all music is religious (or that all religion is musical, for that matter), it might be better to say that they are each a separate manifestation of a common feeling, such as "Both music and religion are cathartic." Although I have never had a religious experience, other than having had the holy crap scared out of me a few times, I suspect it would not be all that different from listening to Mahler's 1st turned up really loud, especially the first time one heard Mahler's 1st.

(And I further suspect that both music and religion are enhanced by the liberal application of pharmaceuticals.)

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:12 pm

gonzo914 wrote:(And I further suspect that both music and religion are enhanced by the liberal application of pharmaceuticals.)

I'll bet Pink Floyd would be pretty amazing if you added some peyote.

djm · Post by **djm** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:56 pm

Congratulations wrote:I'll bet Pink Floyd would be pretty amazing if you added some peyote.

I threw up a lot .....

djm