Elderly harmonica player arrested playing copyrighted songs

[Scott McCallister]

It's not unreasonable to expect pay for the addition of that emotional element into a point of sale. The money should go back to the copyright holder.

But even Chrisian church music is now copyright. Churches have to pay for the right to "perform" hymns. Where is the point of sale?

djm

??!?!

Where is the point of sale??!?

I have never been to a church service where they didn't pass the plate at least once. (while music is being played/sung no less)

You may not get a bill of sale or a printed receipt as such, but organized religion is most decidedly a "commercial" enterprise. That don't make it wrong, it just don't make it free.

[Coffee]

Well having worked in a church office I can tell you that it costs a fair pretty penny to run and the profit margin, if any, would not make me want to buy stocks in it.

Anywho, note to self; next time stationed in Japan, if ya go busking, only play your own tunes.

[CHasR]

What do Yoko Ono and the Sudanese have in common...?




wait for it....




they're both living off of dead beeatles

[djm]

ba-dump-dump

:roll:

[talasiga]

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Anywho, note to self; next time stationed in Japan, if ya go busking, only play your own tunes.

I dont think you can be prosecuted if you
* are not making money out of it, and
* not taking the credit for it (composition).

So if you're busking and going to do "Fool on the Hill" just announce who wrote it and tell people not to throw money at you during that song.


Same thing goes in a pub performance. Just say,
"Before doing my original songs and some traditional stuff, I'm gonna warm up with some current/recent popular stuff that is still copyrighted. Please note I am not being paid for performing these pieces."

(keep a tape recording of this for your defence) ......

[jim stone]

The real danger isn't so much the risk of being prosecuted
but the lengths to which people and institutions will go
to avoid any possibility of prosecution. Chilling.

[anniemcu]

.......
Anywho, note to self; next time stationed in Japan, if ya go busking, only play your own tunes.

I dont think you can be prosecuted if you
* are not making money out of it, and
* not taking the credit for it (composition).

So if you're busking and going to do "Fool on the Hill" just announce who wrote it and tell people not to throw money at you during that song.


Same thing goes in a pub performance. Just say,
"Before doing my original songs and some traditional stuff, I'm gonna warm up with some current/recent popular stuff that is still copyrighted. Please note I am not being paid for performing these pieces."

(keep a tape recording of this for your defence) ......

Won't save your kiester here. It doesn't matter if you are playing for free. If others can hear you, you owe. It stinks!

[Nanohedron]

I say no more jukeboxes!

[talasiga]

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Won't save your kiester here. It doesn't matter if you are playing for free. If others can hear you, you owe. It stinks!

Well then, I claim the defense of parody .....

[alurker]

Generally with busking in Japan copyright is the least of your worries. On one side you have the Police (it's illegal to busk if you're on a working visa, but for some reason not if you're on a holiday visa) and on the other you have the Yakuza (Japanese mafia who demand a considerable slice of the action). Add to this the hassle you often get from street vendors (mostly Israelis) who like to think they own the streets and you can have a few headaches when you go busking in Japan.

[Roger O'Keeffe]

It's not unreasonable to expect pay for the addition of that emotional element into a point of sale. The money should go back to the copyright holder.

But even Chrisian church music is now copyright. Churches have to pay for the right to "perform" hymns. Where is the point of sale?

djm

Think... "Protection Racket".

I like it .

[Flyingcursor]

It's not unreasonable to expect pay for the addition of that emotional element into a point of sale. The money should go back to the copyright holder.

But even Chrisian church music is now copyright. Churches have to pay for the right to "perform" hymns. Where is the point of sale?

djm

Churches can play the "old standard" hymns without fear provided it's not a special arrangement. For "contemporary" stuff they usually have a contract with a distributor like "Hillsong" or something that allows them to download as much music as they want over the duration of the contract. These songs are generally formula driven so they all sound similar. If you play them long enough you can sometimes tell which writer composed the piece just by the style.

It's a big racket. The studios have a stable of writers and bands. They produce the tunes and send the bands on tour as well as push radio play for particular songs. This guarantees churches across the land will want to play the songs and buy the subscription for the sheet music.

The church I played in had a code number that had to be stamped on every printed page of music indicating we'd payed for the right to use the songs.

[anniemcu]

It's not unreasonable to expect pay for the addition of that emotional element into a point of sale. The money should go back to the copyright holder.

But even Chrisian church music is now copyright. Churches have to pay for the right to "perform" hymns. Where is the point of sale?

djm

Churches can play the "old standard" hymns without fear provided it's not a special arrangement. For "contemporary" stuff they usually have a contract with a distributor like "Hillsong" or something that allows them to download as much music as they want over the duration of the contract. These songs are generally formula driven so they all sound similar. If you play them long enough you can sometimes tell which writer composed the piece just by the style.

It's a big racket. The studios have a stable of writers and bands. They produce the tunes and send the bands on tour as well as push radio play for particular songs. This guarantees churches across the land will want to play the songs and buy the subscription for the sheet music.

The church I played in had a code number that had to be stamped on every printed page of music indicating we'd payed for the right to use the songs.

Profiteering on the name of G_D... it makes me naseous. Arrggh!

[Flyingcursor]

Profiteering on the name of G_D... it makes me naseous. Arrggh!

It's a time honored tradition.
Reason #2 I stopped playing. Not to mention the formulaic nature of the tunes gets old.

intro
verse
verse
pre-chorus
chorus
verse
pre-chorus
chorus
long drawn out repeating part. (vocals only the first 12 times then bass/drums for awhile then on the last 8 to 15 times everybody comes in)
pre-chorus (with gusto)
chorus (belt it out now)
verse
pre-chorus
chorus
chorus
chorus
and maybe the chorus a few times
end

(instrumental solos may be added.)