God Forsaken

Flying Cement · Post by **Flying Cement** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:41 pm

If everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken?

djm · Post by **djm** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:42 pm

No, he just screws with my reeds.

djm

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:01 pm

I don't know, and while I understand and appreciate the appeal of long deep thinking sessions and conversations with such questions, I don't think they're of any practical importance. What matters is not if everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken, but rather what we are doing in the world to make it a better place right here and right now.

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:10 pm

Can God microwave a burrito so hot not even he could eat it?

Miwokhill · Post by **Miwokhill** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:16 pm

I'm still trying to figure out the 'going to hell in a handbasket' thing.

What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

Cynth · Post by **Cynth** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:21 pm

Well, to forsake means to leave or abandon.

If a man forsakes his wife, she can't forsake him. He is already gone. She is the husbandforsaken (she is the one who has been forsaken by her husband), he is the wifeforsaker (he is the one who has forsaken his wife).

So if a people is godforsaken, they have been abandoned by the god. That makes the god the peopleforsaker. The god cannot be be the peopleforsaker and the peopleforsaken at the same time. The god can't desert the people and be deserted by them at the same time---or at least it seems highly unlikely that each party would come to the decision to desert the other at the exact same time, although I suppose that can't be ruled out.

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:28 pm

Cynth wrote:Well, to forsake means to leave or abandon.

If a man forsakes his wife, she can't forsake him. He is already gone. She is the husbandforsaken (she is the one who has been forsaken by her husband), he is the wifeforsaker (he is the one who has forsaken his wife).

So if a people is godforsaken, they have been abandoned by the god. That makes the god the peopleforsaker. The god cannot be be the peopleforsaker and the peopleforsaken at the same time. The god can't desert the people and be deserted by them at the same time---or at least it seems highly unlikely that each party would come to the decision to desert the other at the exact same time, although I suppose that can't be ruled out.

Well, that covers that. What do you think about the burrito thing?

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:36 pm

Congratulations wrote:What do you think about the burrito thing?

If God can microwave a burrito so hot that even he cannot eat it, surely he can deal with the silly resulting dilemma.

Congratulations · Post by **Congratulations** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:44 pm

Bloomfield wrote:
Congratulations wrote:What do you think about the burrito thing?
If God can microwave a burrito so hot that even he cannot eat it, surely he can deal with the silly resulting dilemma.

Well played.

Wombat · Post by **Wombat** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:54 pm

Cranberry wrote:I don't know, and while I understand and appreciate the appeal of long deep thinking sessions and conversations with such questions, I don't think they're of any practical importance. What matters is not if everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken, but rather what we are doing in the world to make it a better place right here and right now.

Thanks so much for taking time out from the good works to clear that one up.

Lorenzo · Post by **Lorenzo** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:01 am

Flying Cement wrote:If everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken?

Foresaken? I don't know. Forsaken? I'm almost sure no one knows. But as the story goes...even without us, God still has his millions of angels...except he can't watch them procreate, I guess. But, I realize now it's not good to be sincere about such things unless of course one is ignorant.

Coffee · Post by **Coffee** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 1:15 am

Congratulations wrote:Can God microwave a burrito so hot not even he could eat it?

The answer is no. As God is a spirit rather than a corporeal being, there is no mouth for the burrito to interact with.

Walden · Post by **Walden** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:46 am

Flying Cement wrote:If everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken?

What if not everyone is God-forsaken, and God didn't need to create us?

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:08 am

Flying Cement wrote:If everyone is godforsaken, and god needed us enough to create us, is god himself foresaken?

You are assuming there is only one.

djm · Post by **djm** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:37 am

Walden wrote:What if not everyone is God-forsaken, and God didn't need to create us?

What if we didn't need to create a god or gods? Imagine there's no heaven ...

djm

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