OT&Controversial: Just say no

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:11 pm

Who you calling a hippie, son?

Walden · Post by **Walden** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:19 pm

On 2002-09-11 18:11, The Weekenders wrote:
Who you calling a hippie, son?

Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines hippie thus, "a usually young person who rejects the mores of established society (as by dressing unconventionally or favoring communal living) and advocates a nonviolent ethic; broadly : a long-haired unconventionally dressed young person."

If the shoe (or sandal) fits, wear it!

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:23 pm

Oh to be young again.....

MurphyStout · Post by **MurphyStout** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:32 pm

U2 · Post by U2 » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:55 pm

[quote]
On 2002-09-11 15:32, Chuck_Clark wrote:

"I used to be a man of means,
Trustworthy and steadfast,
Until I found this horrid stuff,
That awful demon, Grass!

I took a puff, and then again,
My eyes began to roar,
My ears began to see strange sights,
I passed out on the floor."

If the writer's eyes were roaring and his ears were seeing strange sights, his genes were rotting, he was an addicted bum thief, I'll suggest he was having an adverse reaction to the "junk" he was shooting up. Did you know studies have shown that 99.999% of all heroin addicts drank milk as a child. Now there's some science you can lap a lip around, eh?

This could be the guy who wrote the screen play for that old government propaganda scare movie "Reefer Madness". Does anyone remember it? The actor took a hit of grass and imagined a gas stove burner to be a flower so he reached to touch it. I was pretty young when they showed us that and as a result of Reefer Madness was convinced we were getting really crappy weed later on. No one was hallucinating, even when we looked at gas stoves. Go figure.

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 6:15 pm

I actually have "Reefer Madness" on tape. It has got to be one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. It's best followed up by watching either "Dr. Strangelove (or how I learned to love the bomb.)" or Baron Von Munchausen.
And according to the dictionary I would readily define myself as a Hippie (w/o hair).
('Course I'm from Oregon so, what're ya gonna do.)

Chuck_Clark · Post by **Chuck_Clark** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 6:35 pm

On 2002-09-11 18:55, U2 wrote:
If the writer's eyes were roaring and his ears were seeing strange sights, his genes were rotting, he was an addicted bum thief, I'll suggest he was having an adverse reaction to the "junk" he was shooting up. Did you know studies have shown that 99.999% of all heroin addicts drank milk as a child. Now there's some science you can lap a lip around, eh?

This could be the guy who wrote the screen play for that old government propaganda scare movie "Reefer Madness". Does anyone remember it? The actor took a hit of grass and imagined a gas stove burner to be a flower so he reached to touch it. I was pretty young when they showed us that and as a result of Reefer Madness was convinced we were getting really crappy weed later on. No one was hallucinating, even when we looked at gas stoves. Go figure.

Twas written before most of you puppies were old enough to be drinking milk - even the original formula. And at the time, the poet, or rough facsimile thereof, really never expected to someday be working for the government, let alone the police. Trust me - I'm in a position to know.

Rockymtnpiper · Post by **Rockymtnpiper** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:20 pm

""Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines hippie thus, "a usually young person who rejects the mores of established society (as by dressing unconventionally or favoring communal living) and advocates a nonviolent ethic; broadly : a long-haired unconventionally dressed young person.""

Indeed... I seem to recall hearing about a Young Long Haired Dude 2,000 years ago who apparently looked much like the young Dudes of today. From what I have heard..he rejected the Morals of the established society, and advocated a peacefull non-violent ethic. It is however questionable if he partook of the "lambs bread" or otherwise warmed up around a slow burning fire.

The question arose earlier if those who partake of the green vote or not. The answer is yes. Where I live it is popular to vote GOP, and guess what party most local potheads vote for?? Believe it or not, they will "vote from their pocket book", and forget about the wee baggie sitting next to it. Go figure.

jim stone · Post by **jim stone** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:40 pm

It was wonderful fun to be a hippy.
How I miss being young! Yet oddly
I think I'm happier now being old.
Human critters sure are a bundle
of contradictions, yes? I believe Dickens
wrote of the French Rev: 'It was a good
time for anybody, but to be young
was sheer heaven!'

It's true that all generations
want to burn things down, but mine
did it! In the 50s everybody said
to us: 'Don't sign anything ever! If
somebody comes up to you with a petition,
don't sign it. Even if you believe it
don't sign it!' Then somewhere about
1963 we realized that there were more
of us than anybody else.

At Berkeley we were organizing
large demonstrations from Sather Gate,
and sending people off to SF to get
arrested in civil rights actions.
So the university--the one with the
three page loyalty oath--figured
they would ban speakers at Sather
Gate. That would stop us, alright.
The silly geese!

There was a long while where virtually
everybody I knew who had authority
seemed corrupt, was lying, and using it to swat down someone asking legitimate
questions. You may recall the
credo: 'Don't trust anyone over
30!' Nobody ever seemed to use
power or authority in a beneficent
way. Finally I just wanted to tear
it down. So we did.

There was a baby in that bath water,
but it wasn't our fault that we
didn't see it. We made America
a much better and more livable place; but
also we caused a lot of harm,
I think. When I first went to school
I wore a white shirt and red tie,
and sat with my hands crossed on
the desk in a standard way.
It was oppressive. I once was
disciplined because I
laughed with joy at hearing 'The
Owl and the Pussycat' read in
assembly. So we figured--us hippies
and activists--that we would end
the oppression in education, let
kids express themselves and the
natural creativity boil out of 'em
which had been stifled in us.
It never occurred to us until it
was too late that we had been
taught to read
and write by our oppressors,
and that most everybody
who would get to express themselves
and be creative and unstifled would wind up
illiterate.

We thought human nature is good--
to become a good person, you just
gotta let it be. Romantics, we were.

We didn't understand that human nature is
what you make of it, and the only way
to drift is down.

U2 · Post by U2 » Thu Sep 12, 2002 7:37 am

quoting Jim:
"...It never occurred to us until it was too late that we had been taught to read and write by our oppressors, and that most everybody who would get to express themselves and be creative and unstifled would wind up illiterate..."

I think I disagree with this. Do your refer to the King's English or what? No comment on the lads from Taos Jim?

jim stone · Post by **jim stone** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 9:40 am

The name that actually rings a bell is 'Mason Brown,' who I believe lives in Two Peaks,
on the mesa, plays whistles, and makes flutes.

I know there's an active celtic music
scene in Taos, with sessions, but I
haven't gone yet. Of course I'm not in the class of the people playing. I spend
most of my time way out on the mesa,
where my friend, Ruth, has an immense
Navaho hogan, entirely solar--there;s
no electric lines out there and she
trucks in water in drums. Ruth sings
and plays piano and guitar, I accompany on
the whistle.

Ruth makes hemp 'dharma
bags', shoulder bags made of
environmentally safe non-narcotic
material. When we stay with her we
use hemp soap, hemp toothpaste,
and eat hemp ice cream: 'It's knotty
but it's nice.'

All about the mesa, in
geodesic domes and old school busses,
are various aging hippies, who,
over the decades, have become desert
rats more than anything else.
They don't seem to like each other very
well. Best

Walden · Post by **Walden** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 9:57 am

The youths of today, with their ropes and their dopes. They have no time for the classics like Pilgrim's Progress and The Old Farmer's Almanac. Where Have All the Flowers Gone? Somebody smoked them!

Tyghress · Post by **Tyghress** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:01 am

On 2002-09-11 20:15, Sean wrote:
I actually have "Reefer Madness" on tape. It has got to be one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. It's best followed up by watching either "Dr. Strangelove (or how I learned to love the bomb.)" or Baron Von Munchausen.
And according to the dictionary I would readily define myself as a Hippie (w/o hair).
('Course I'm from Oregon so, what're ya gonna do.)

add to your list of hysterical movies Amazon Women on the Moon

Chuck_Clark · Post by **Chuck_Clark** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:28 am

Was Amazon Women on the Moon the one with the warrior gals running around in catsuits and high heels, or was that Cat Women of Venus? I remember both of them, but haven't seen either in a decade or so, since I got too old to stay up for the 3AM movies.

OutOfBreath · Post by **OutOfBreath** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:29 am

On 2002-09-11 22:20, Rockymtnpiper wrote:
Indeed... I seem to recall hearing about a Young Long Haired Dude 2,000 years ago who apparently looked much like the young Dudes of today...

I don't have a thing against long hair, and have even been dangerously close to needing a poney-tail myself a time or two in my life. But, assuming that you're talking about Jesus, what on earth makes you think he had long hair? Oh, I know! It's those oh-so-historically-accurate european paintings of the blue-eyed Jew with long flowing blonde hair and effiminate features -ROFLOL.

The Bible actually indicates that there was nothing remarkable about his appearance, and he may have been downright homely. A Jew of unremarkable appearance of that time period would likely have had brown eyes, shortish dark hair, possibly the long sideburns sported by some modern day orthodox Jews (don't know the real name for those, I'm not Jewish) and an olive complexion; and he obviously would have been wearing what other common people of the time wore. Otherwise his appearance would have been remarkable, right?

John 
"My Boss was a Jewish Carpenter"