Board Demographics or let's get real!

peeplj · Post by **peeplj** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:04 pm

I've read through this thread a couple of times, and I must say I didn't get from Kelhorn Mike's original message what everyone else seems to have.

I will agree if was not necessarily the most tactful posting I've ever seen; and, especially lately, he seems to be in good company on that.

What I got from his original posting is that individual feedback from his customers does matter, and indeed he says:

--quote--
We'd (KELHORN/SUSATO)also like
to thank all our customers on this board
for buying and playing our whistles
and for the feedback. Positive as well
as the negative [....]
--endquote--

I took from his message that while feedback from their customers is valued and appreciated, the overall opinion of the Chiff and Fipple Message Board taken as an entity doesn't have as much weight as some on the board might wish it did or might like to pretend it does. But the feedback from the individuals does count--just not necessarily the "group opinion".

I think this represents good common sense on Susato's part--look to actual customers more than to online special interests groups for feedback and product steering.

Susato designed their latest whistle (the VSB line) around user feedback--this is not the actions of a company that doesn't care what its customers think.

That is my $.02 worth on this latest "tempest in a teapot" thread.

Best wishes and peace to all,

--James
http://www.flutesite.com

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:02 pm

Hi James:

I dont think anyone on this Board "wishes or pretends" anything of the sort or ever said so, though some research might prove me wrong. If there is any kind of jockeying for position or presumption of power, its WITHIN the Forum and due to human nature and people's desire for recognition and credibility...

That's why I found post aggressive. Your points about feedback and vsb are well-taken tho.

I still don't get it.

peeplj · Post by **peeplj** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:21 pm

--quote--
I dont think anyone on this Board "wishes or pretends" anything of the sort or ever said so, though some research might prove me wrong. If there is any kind of jockeying for position or presumption of power, its WITHIN the Forum and due to human nature and people's desire for recognition and credibility... 
--endquote--

Actually I believe I said:

--quote--
taken as an entity doesn't have as much weight as some on the board might wish it did or might like to pretend it does
--endquote--

The words "might wish" and "might like to pretend" are important. I don't make any claim that people on the board actually do feel this way, only that there is a possibility that there may be people that do.

I know that's being pretty nit-picky on the details, but hey!--seems like being nit-picky is what this thread is all about anyway!

I think it would be a good think for everybody--and I'll freely include myself in this--to take a deep breath, and stop taking this board quite so seriously. Let's all resolve to let it be fun again!

And I actually think that is what Kelhorn Mike's original posting was trying to say. Mike, if I'm putting words in your mouth, please accept my apologies!

Best to all
--James
http://www.flutesite.com

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"Doctor, this morning I took Ex-Lax with my Prozac. Now I can't get off the pot, but I feel good about it!"

[ This Message was edited by: peeplj on 2002-08-21 16:21 ]

blackhawk · Post by **blackhawk** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:25 pm

On 2002-08-21 16:21, peeplj wrote:

I think it would be a good thing for everybody--and I'll freely include myself in this--to take a deep breath, and stop taking this board quite so seriously. Let's all resolve to let it be fun again!

I like that, James, and I hereby so resolve!

The Weekenders · Post by **The Weekenders** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:26 pm

Great signoff!!!!!!!!!! yeah, lets get fun again until somebody gets a crappy whistle!!!!! Then we'll get mad. Then we'll get happy. Then we'll.....maybe some of us do need Prozac.....Ha!

DazedinLA · Post by **DazedinLA** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 2:33 pm

StevePower · Post by **StevePower** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:10 pm

On 2002-08-20 14:23, Kelhorn Mike wrote:
Just ask Steve Power or Brigitte Goldie
as they are even more knowledgeable
about this than I could be.

I'm flattered that Mike might think this. But, I'm not sure that I am more knowledgeable than anyone at all on this matter (and most other's come to that). I am aware that there is a huge European Market for all things Irish (including whistles) but I have no idea how it compares with the USA or other world markets. My business is about 50-50 USA/Canada and Europe, at present (long may it continue).

I will say, though, that C&F and it's members was HIGHLY influential in geting Shanna Quay up and running. I wouldn't be eating Mexican without you guys! (Actually, I prefer Chinese, but you know what I mean).

Steve

Tyghress · Post by **Tyghress** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:24 pm

Mr. Kelhorn doesn't seem to know that one unhappy potential customer can do FAR more harm than one happy customer can do good.

His general rudeness has made me an unhappy (no longer) potential customer.

WyoBadger · Post by **WyoBadger** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:56 pm

But what about me? Whistle makers still value MY opinion, right? RIGHT? Somebody, answer me??? Hello???

Bloomfield · Post by **Bloomfield** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:24 pm

Hey! Dazed, that is *my* guac picture. I found that!

Weekenders, there is no jockeying for position on this board. None at all. I'm first and that's that.

Yo, Tygh! We usually agree, but I'd still buy Susatos. I think it's kind of refreshing that MK speaks his mind here on the board. It's kinda dumb to insult your customers, and he does it anyway. In an odd way it seems more respectful to all of us here than just getting sicophantic remarks and shopkeeper's smiles out of whistle makers. (And I am willing to sponsor anyone who considers domestic US beer undrinkable.)

"Prost."

_________________
/bloomfield

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DazedinLA · Post by **DazedinLA** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:00 pm

Hey Bloo:

Yeah, I know. I figured if the thread needs some more fun, well nothing says "fun" like a big bowl of guac, right???? I could have posted a photo of a certain Domestic Goddess making the green stuff, but I am such a Reasonable Person now, after all, so I restrained....

I also figured if Mike wants to eat Mexican, well, that'll be my contribution.

Post by **Dale** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:05 pm

Well, I'm a bit baffled by the intent of Mike's original post. I agree with those that wonder what can be served by it. I guess we could all be humbled a bit, but I'm not sure that makes any real difference regarding what goes on here.

We're looking at 3200ish subscribers to the newsletter and 1370ish newletter members although we know that the number of active members is very much smaller.

Seems to me that Mike is undoubtedly correct that this board is a small sample of whistle players nationwide, even with those numbers. I certainly don't think we can make or break our friends at Susato! I differ with him (I think!) in two respects: First, I do believe that this board has allowed new makers to get established. Perhaps their might have been another way, but the way they used was through C&F. Second, I can't think of any reason NOT to believe that this group is a significant AND a representative sample of players. I still need to be convinced of that one.

But, hey, in any case, it seems to me like it's mostly fun, often informative, and useful to some people. So, I think I'll leave it on the internet.

:]

Dale

P.S. Oh, one more thing. It would sadden me to think that Mike is inferring a kind of genuine self-importance in C&F due to things like "The Undisputed King....", "DaleForceOne" and related crap I put in that would appear to suggest that Chiff & Fipple is a world power. Mock Gravity has always been a part of the humor of the site. It's, like,....a joke. I rarely take ANY of this very seriously.

_________________
Dale

Dale Wisely
Chiff & Fipple HQ

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avanutria · Post by **avanutria** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:09 pm

On 2002-08-21 18:24, Bloomfield wrote:
Weekenders, there is no jockeying for position on this board. None at all. I'm first and that's that.

Actually, Loren's first. You're third.

Loren · Post by **Loren** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:16 pm

On 2002-08-21 09:09, Bloomfield wrote:

Good one. And look at the timing. In another thread, Mike K had just been told that he can't say what he wants to say here because he represents his company, Susato.

G**damit Bloomfield, knock that sh*t off: Quit twisting my words. I didn't tell Mike what he could or couldn't do, I asked a rhetorical question you dolt.

I say enough that's controversial without you taking liberties by re-authoring my statements and/or intended meanings to suit your interests.

You know, I have really tried to lay off you and keep the truce we forged off-board, but you simply can't help needling me, can you? Fine then, so be it, asshole. (Hey, Kelhorn Mike got away with it....)

Loren

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sweetone · Post by **sweetone** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 5:44 pm

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