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What language is this....

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Earlier today on my travels I chanced across a headstone with a very strange inscription. I am assuming that the bottom half is a translation of the top half but I cannot figure out the language.
A learned friend of mine is leaning towards a pidgin Greek but I am having difficulty seeing that. I was wondering if this is some obscure cuneiform which is made up of various scripts and languages.

I have had to link to the pictures because I needed to keep them very large for clarity.

The headstone in question is to be found in Whitton North Lincolnshire.

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The floor is open...

Thanks in advance for the help :wink:

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Greek, I'd bet; some Greek letters, apparently,
and something Greek would be appropriate,
as opposed to Russian, say.
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Post by Nanohedron »

I'm stumped. The date being 1791, I wonder if it's some kind of guild or sodality code, if something like that existed. It doesn't look like anything I've seen before.
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Post by Innocent Bystander »

It's just a very ornate lettering style, Dubhlinn.

I haven't managed to make out the first two lines yet, but the last line is clearly (to me)

MEMENTO MORI.

That bit is definitely Latin.

The word above "Memento" is "Eternity".
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Those are gorgeous letterforms, at any rate. The sexton clearly had a good eye. Were there any other stones around the same date with the same look to the letters, even if in English?
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What I see looks like:

Liffe bow short
Eternity bow long!
Memento Mori!

Or, with a Lincolnshire Accent,
Life be short,
Eternity be long!
Memento Mori (Remember Death)!

You take good stock of that now, mind!
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Wow. Good eye. I wonder if the fancy script was ready-made on the
stone, with space left for the decedant's name and dates, since that
is a different script.
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Innocent Bystander wrote:What I see looks like:

Liffe bow short
Eternity bow long!
Memento Mori!

Or, with a Lincolnshire Accent,
Life be short,
Eternity be long!
Memento Mori (Remember Death)!

You take good stock of that now, mind!
Brilliant, IB. Well done. You've saved me, and I'm sure others, a helluvan eyestrain.
* applauds *

...would anyone care to speculate on the rationale for making a headstone inscription so difficult to read? I find it quite puzzling. I suppose the mingling of Latin and local dialect, as well as the challenging lettering, reflects an interesting...sense of humor? :wink:
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That's quite pretty.
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scottielvr wrote: ...would anyone care to speculate on the rationale for making a headstone inscription so difficult to read?
Because no matter how big an ass you were while you were alive, you can be sure that someone, somewhere, will eventually take notice and say "What an interesting headstone!"
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reminds me a bit of this font ("Courthand") from Scriptorium
http://www.fontcraft.com/scriptorium/fontlist.html
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Good eye, RH. I went looking for something similar, but got totally distracted by the many beautiful packages available.

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rh wrote:reminds me a bit of this font ("Courthand") from Scriptorium
http://www.fontcraft.com/scriptorium/fontlist.html
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That is really helpful. This is so interesting but I was getting nowhere on learning some more about it. I never would have believed it was English :lol: . Good thing we have an innocent bystander!
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Post by avanutria »

Well done IB!
Innocent Bystander wrote:What I see looks like:

Liffe bow short
Eternity bow long!
Memento Mori!
Ooh, ooh! It's not bow, it's how! Compare with the second letter of "short"

SO we have:

Liffe how short
Eternity how long!
Memento Mori!

I've done research on newspapers from the 1700s, "liffe" is an accepted spelling of life.
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