I was a trough mint.....I.D.10-t wrote:Ever notice that people were never peasants in their past lives?gonzo914 wrote:
ENTP -- same as Mercutio, Lord Peter Wimsey, Wile E. Coyote, and Weird Al.
Ever notice how these test never say things like "Your personality type is the same as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and little Timmy McVeigh."?
( I was a blacksmith)
aspergers
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She did post yesterday, but she's not been around as much I don't think. I'm definitely missing her.Flyingcursor wrote:I'm an LMNOP
Speaking of Lambchop, where's the ole Lamby been lately?
Diligentia maximum etiam mediocris ingeni subsidium. ~ Diligence is a very great help even to a mediocre intelligence.----Seneca
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She's been in Chiffy Chat nearly every night for a while, too. I don't see her online anymore unless I'm on the library computers (I installed software to block her on my computer), but I can't do that in chat.Cynth wrote:She did post yesterday, but she's not been around as much I don't think. I'm definitely missing her.Flyingcursor wrote:I'm an LMNOP
Speaking of Lambchop, where's the ole Lamby been lately?
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Lord, there's a ton of you Eleanor Rosevelt types here. That's the same as my wife. You'd think that with as many of you INFJs as there seem to be, the world would be a much better place.emmline wrote:me too.cskinner wrote:INFJ for me, along with wild and crazy Mohandas Gandhi and Eleanor Roosevelt.
So far, my type seem to be at a premium here, but then, we'll probably be at a premium in heaven, too.
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Crazy for the blue white and red
Crazy for the blue white and red
And yellow fringe
Crazy for the blue white red and yellow
Crazy for the blue white and red
And yellow fringe
Crazy for the blue white red and yellow
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LOL!!!!
The Portrait of the Mastermind Rational (iNTj)
That's Me!
They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of the population.
I al'us knowed I's spashul. Me and US Grant.
The Portrait of the Mastermind Rational (iNTj)
That's Me!
They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of the population.
I al'us knowed I's spashul. Me and US Grant.
"Let low-country intruder approach a cove
And eyes as gray as icicle fangs measure stranger
For size, honesty, and intent."
John Foster West
And eyes as gray as icicle fangs measure stranger
For size, honesty, and intent."
John Foster West
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JES, my pet, I have given this a lot of thought. I googled "trough mint". I got no results. I know some meanings for mint. I know a meaning for trough. I don't think I really get what you mean by "trough mint". I'm sure it is a clever joke, but...what? It is driving me crazyJoseph E. Smith wrote:I was a trough mint.....I.D.10-t wrote:Ever notice that people were never peasants in their past lives?gonzo914 wrote:
ENTP -- same as Mercutio, Lord Peter Wimsey, Wile E. Coyote, and Weird Al.
Ever notice how these test never say things like "Your personality type is the same as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and little Timmy McVeigh."?
( I was a blacksmith)
.Edited to say NEVERMIND!
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Diligentia maximum etiam mediocris ingeni subsidium. ~ Diligence is a very great help even to a mediocre intelligence.----Seneca
I'm an INTJ, too.cowtime wrote:LOL!!!!
The Portrait of the Mastermind Rational (iNTj)
That's Me!
They are rather rare, comprising no more than, say, one percent of the population.
I al'us knowed I's spashul. Me and US Grant.
You can sit over in the corner with me, cowtime, and we can plot to take over the world!!!.
Oh, sorry. You said RATIONAL Mastermind.
(Pretty solidly an INTJ, though, per several versions of the Myers-Briggs tests).
Taken it several times . . . always the same . . . solidly INTJ.
And, umm, <ahem!> Asperger's.
Cran, you certainly don't look aspergerish to me. Your toe-sucking photo has too much expression to it. You're more along the lines of a budding cannibalistic serial killer.
And, yes, I have been in chat. I enjoy talking to some of the denizens thereof.
Cynth, I think a trough mint is that deodorizer thing in the men's urinal.
The Mastermind Rational (iNTj):
distinctively expressed introvert
moderately expressed intuitive personality
distinctively expressed thinking personality
moderately expressed judging personality
And, umm, <ahem!> Asperger's.
Cran, you certainly don't look aspergerish to me. Your toe-sucking photo has too much expression to it. You're more along the lines of a budding cannibalistic serial killer.
And, yes, I have been in chat. I enjoy talking to some of the denizens thereof.
Cynth, I think a trough mint is that deodorizer thing in the men's urinal.
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Aspergers? You've come to the right shop, sir.
Cran,
Both my children have Aspergers. They are both "Statemented" which means their Educational files indicate that they have special needs. We had to fight like hell to get this, as the Local Authorities resist statments furiously, as it impacts on their budget. After learning a fair amount about it, it's clear that both my wife and I have many Aspergers traits, and I think we could each be classified or diagnosed as such. It is only recently becoming apparent that girls as well as boys can have this problem, but boys present social and behavioural problems in infancy, whereas girls as more apparently "socialised" and only start to show serious problems in their teens.
I had occasion to post more details of this on another list. If you like I'll copy it for you.
And on the Myers-Briggs test, I came out as 100% introverted. INTJ: 100/25/12/33.
Both my children have Aspergers. They are both "Statemented" which means their Educational files indicate that they have special needs. We had to fight like hell to get this, as the Local Authorities resist statments furiously, as it impacts on their budget. After learning a fair amount about it, it's clear that both my wife and I have many Aspergers traits, and I think we could each be classified or diagnosed as such. It is only recently becoming apparent that girls as well as boys can have this problem, but boys present social and behavioural problems in infancy, whereas girls as more apparently "socialised" and only start to show serious problems in their teens.
I had occasion to post more details of this on another list. If you like I'll copy it for you.
And on the Myers-Briggs test, I came out as 100% introverted. INTJ: 100/25/12/33.
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More than you ever wanted to know about Aspergers
This was posted on a site in response to the request to "Name 15 things about yourself"
1. My son and daughter have each been diagnosed as having Aspergers Syndrome. In American terms, this is High-functioning Autism. It’s clear that my wife and I share many of these traits. AS/HFA is more clearly diagnosed in males, but it also affects females. The medical profession is just beginning to realise this. Males demonstrate pathological behaviour from the age of four, or earlier. Females don’t demonstrate obvious indicators until their teenage years.
2. We don’t empathise. Not innately. We don’t decode facial expressions or body language innately, but as we get older we “intellectually compensate.” In other words, it takes brain power to do it, but we do it. This serves to explain why AS sufferers avoid crowds. It’s like trying to solve three or more chess problems at once. It’s just too stressful. If there is a group of people doing something “structured” then there is less of a need to decode expressions, so it’s correspondingly less stressful. It sometimes seems as if we’re agoraphobic. We’re not, but it can look that way.
3. AS sufferers are extremely picky about what they eat. My son survives on Pepperami sausages, apples and crisps. He also tolerates one brand of chocolate, “Maribou” which it is a struggle to get hold of. My daughter eats white sliced bread, American muffins and apples. She is happy to eat Cadbury’s chocolate. One of my brothers-in-law survived his teenage years on nothing but Sugar-Puffs. One of my friends asked what they ate for a Christmas meal. The answer is “we don’t.” Eating in company with other people is extremely stressful to us. A table for two in a restaurant is fine, but I can’t handle occasions when my wife’s three brothers and two sisters and their partners and children all sit around a table (and shout at the tops of their voices, or so it seems to me).
4. Neurotypical (“Normal”) human behaviour is a mystery to us, which we necessarily spend most of our lives trying to solve. A typical AS observation in childhood is “On my planet, we do it this way.” In effect, we are trapped on an alien planet with no way home. Well no, we’re disabled. But it’s sometimes comforting to think of ourselves as aliens.
5. Part of AS is obsessive behaviour. Mostly this tends to be rabbitting on about our favourite subjects to other people. Because of this, AS is sometimes called “Mad Scientist Syndrome”. We can be extremely boring, and it’s hard to get away from us, because we miss the visual empathic clues that would tell an NT that they are being boring. After fifty years, I am learning to shut up. The advantage of this is that we are very good at jobs which need attention to detail, such as computer-programming. Guess what I do for a living.
6. We are also very literal. Idiom is foreign to us. It took me a very long time to understand that when people say “How are you?” they mostly do not want to know. Idiom is like poetry to us. My very favourite idiom is the Irish invitation: “Will you take a wee drop of tea in your hand?” This is to guests who are not prepared to sit at a table but may be persuaded to hold a teacup.
7. My son and daughter take refuge in computer games, and they are very good at them. I enjoy computer games too, but they weren’t around when I was younger, so I read a lot of books. I enjoyed looking up words I didn’t understand (obsessive) and using them when I thought they fitted the occasion. It’s become a bad habit, now, where people think I’m showing off by using long words. And my style of speech reflects whatever book I’ve been reading, so I can sound like Jane Austen or Dostoyevsky, in a bad moment. Nobody should have to talk to Dostoyevsky. (Sorry, Fyodor!)
8. We like rules. They help us make sense of a confusing world. That’s one reason why we like games, because the rules are more obvious, and sometimes even written down. We don’t like cheats. They just make the confusion worse. One reason why we don’t like physical games is that it’s easier to cheat at them (and not be spotted). Mostly, AS sufferers will not cheat, because it takes too much mental effort. We will cheat once we’ve got the hang of it, and once we see the advantage. We aren’t angels. Actually, the card game “cheat” is good therapy for AS.
9. The time and energy NTs devote to status is very alien to us. We don’t see that it matters. We don’t think any better of people with (say) big cars or expensive houses. We don’t respect medals or rank, and that can cause problems. Mostly we just go along with it because things are easier that way. But the innocent question that sparked off a riot: it’s likely an AS person asked it.
10. I like dance. I like to dance, and I like to watch it. I like ballet, but I haven’t seen a ballet, even on television, in maybe ten years. I enjoy Ceilidh Dancing, where the dances are formal, and in England, at least, there is a caller to lead you through the steps before the dance proper. (In Scotland it is a point of honour, or rather arrogance, not to do this. It means that strangers at Scottish Ceilidhs are treated like, well, strangers. In a word, “unfriendly.”) Because it is structured, and there are rules, I can manage being in a large group of people. Disco dancing, and nightclubs where everyone does their own thing to very loud music with a heavy beat, is my personal idea of diabolical anarchy.
11. I enjoy watching Morris Dancing – yes, there are people who do! It seems to me that this kind of dancing is very much a ritual thing, and I regard it as part of my Earth-worship. You can see, over time, what the totems of various Morris Troupes are, even when they don’t realise it themselves. One Oxford side is very much devoted to the Horse totem. All their steps are like horse steps, and they even do a cocoanut dance (which sounds like shod horses). Since the Monotheists have pretty much sewn up the musical side of devotion, I think Pagans should start to concentrate a bit on ritual dance. (Yes, I can really see THAT happening…)
12. I like music, and I like to make my own music. I’ve played the guitar (or at least, owned a guitar) for thirty years. I’ve never had a lesson, bar some evening classes for a while. I’m probably about Trinity Grade one, maybe two, judging by the ease with which I can play the music from their exam books. But I can pick out Irish Traditional Tunes on DADF#AD tuning, and I can play “Romanza” and even pick out “Feeling Groovy” (which is not that simple). It gives me great pleasure to play my guitar. My guitar is called “Caritas” and recently had to have a new “gearbox” (set of tuning pegs) when the old one broke. It was very upsetting when the old gearbox went. I’m very glad I was able to fix it. The new gearbox is much better than the original, and it’s easier to change tunings. Hey, see what I mean about obsessive?
13. I like music, and I like to make my own penny-whistles. I make them out of the kind of PVC tubing you can get in the DIY shops. There’s a website called “The Low-Tech Whistle Site” run by an Italian chap from Verona called Guido Gonzato. We had a sort of race to find the hole positions for Low D whistles. I won. He gave me a credit on the site. Low D whistles are an awkward size: for a while it has been my dream to make a walking-stick whistle, but the PVC on sale is always white, and I don’t want to look like a blind man with a white stick. A chap called Lewis at my Ceilidh, gave me a two-metre length of red PVC pipe. Now I have a red Low D walking-stick! That hasn’t stopped me making soprano whistles. I have a D and a C, and I’m thinking of making a Bb one. I have a repertoire of forty tunes, and a “pending” file of a dozen more that I’m learning. One day I may make it to an Irish Trad Session, if the AS doesn’t stop me.
14. I like to be happy and don’t like to be miserable. It sounds obvious, but it seems to me that there are some people who like it the other way around. It doesn’t make sense to me, unless they’re just continually angling for sympathy. Even then, it doesn’t make sense.
15. Fifty years of observation have convinced me that most people do the best they can. And most people can be nasty if you cross them, but most people can be wonderfully helpful if you approach them the right way. Approaching them the right way can be difficult. I also observe that there are a few stinkers whose sole reason for existence seems to be to make things more difficult for the rest of us. If you can, ignore the stinkers. They really hate that.
1. My son and daughter have each been diagnosed as having Aspergers Syndrome. In American terms, this is High-functioning Autism. It’s clear that my wife and I share many of these traits. AS/HFA is more clearly diagnosed in males, but it also affects females. The medical profession is just beginning to realise this. Males demonstrate pathological behaviour from the age of four, or earlier. Females don’t demonstrate obvious indicators until their teenage years.
2. We don’t empathise. Not innately. We don’t decode facial expressions or body language innately, but as we get older we “intellectually compensate.” In other words, it takes brain power to do it, but we do it. This serves to explain why AS sufferers avoid crowds. It’s like trying to solve three or more chess problems at once. It’s just too stressful. If there is a group of people doing something “structured” then there is less of a need to decode expressions, so it’s correspondingly less stressful. It sometimes seems as if we’re agoraphobic. We’re not, but it can look that way.
3. AS sufferers are extremely picky about what they eat. My son survives on Pepperami sausages, apples and crisps. He also tolerates one brand of chocolate, “Maribou” which it is a struggle to get hold of. My daughter eats white sliced bread, American muffins and apples. She is happy to eat Cadbury’s chocolate. One of my brothers-in-law survived his teenage years on nothing but Sugar-Puffs. One of my friends asked what they ate for a Christmas meal. The answer is “we don’t.” Eating in company with other people is extremely stressful to us. A table for two in a restaurant is fine, but I can’t handle occasions when my wife’s three brothers and two sisters and their partners and children all sit around a table (and shout at the tops of their voices, or so it seems to me).
4. Neurotypical (“Normal”) human behaviour is a mystery to us, which we necessarily spend most of our lives trying to solve. A typical AS observation in childhood is “On my planet, we do it this way.” In effect, we are trapped on an alien planet with no way home. Well no, we’re disabled. But it’s sometimes comforting to think of ourselves as aliens.
5. Part of AS is obsessive behaviour. Mostly this tends to be rabbitting on about our favourite subjects to other people. Because of this, AS is sometimes called “Mad Scientist Syndrome”. We can be extremely boring, and it’s hard to get away from us, because we miss the visual empathic clues that would tell an NT that they are being boring. After fifty years, I am learning to shut up. The advantage of this is that we are very good at jobs which need attention to detail, such as computer-programming. Guess what I do for a living.
6. We are also very literal. Idiom is foreign to us. It took me a very long time to understand that when people say “How are you?” they mostly do not want to know. Idiom is like poetry to us. My very favourite idiom is the Irish invitation: “Will you take a wee drop of tea in your hand?” This is to guests who are not prepared to sit at a table but may be persuaded to hold a teacup.
7. My son and daughter take refuge in computer games, and they are very good at them. I enjoy computer games too, but they weren’t around when I was younger, so I read a lot of books. I enjoyed looking up words I didn’t understand (obsessive) and using them when I thought they fitted the occasion. It’s become a bad habit, now, where people think I’m showing off by using long words. And my style of speech reflects whatever book I’ve been reading, so I can sound like Jane Austen or Dostoyevsky, in a bad moment. Nobody should have to talk to Dostoyevsky. (Sorry, Fyodor!)
8. We like rules. They help us make sense of a confusing world. That’s one reason why we like games, because the rules are more obvious, and sometimes even written down. We don’t like cheats. They just make the confusion worse. One reason why we don’t like physical games is that it’s easier to cheat at them (and not be spotted). Mostly, AS sufferers will not cheat, because it takes too much mental effort. We will cheat once we’ve got the hang of it, and once we see the advantage. We aren’t angels. Actually, the card game “cheat” is good therapy for AS.
9. The time and energy NTs devote to status is very alien to us. We don’t see that it matters. We don’t think any better of people with (say) big cars or expensive houses. We don’t respect medals or rank, and that can cause problems. Mostly we just go along with it because things are easier that way. But the innocent question that sparked off a riot: it’s likely an AS person asked it.
10. I like dance. I like to dance, and I like to watch it. I like ballet, but I haven’t seen a ballet, even on television, in maybe ten years. I enjoy Ceilidh Dancing, where the dances are formal, and in England, at least, there is a caller to lead you through the steps before the dance proper. (In Scotland it is a point of honour, or rather arrogance, not to do this. It means that strangers at Scottish Ceilidhs are treated like, well, strangers. In a word, “unfriendly.”) Because it is structured, and there are rules, I can manage being in a large group of people. Disco dancing, and nightclubs where everyone does their own thing to very loud music with a heavy beat, is my personal idea of diabolical anarchy.
11. I enjoy watching Morris Dancing – yes, there are people who do! It seems to me that this kind of dancing is very much a ritual thing, and I regard it as part of my Earth-worship. You can see, over time, what the totems of various Morris Troupes are, even when they don’t realise it themselves. One Oxford side is very much devoted to the Horse totem. All their steps are like horse steps, and they even do a cocoanut dance (which sounds like shod horses). Since the Monotheists have pretty much sewn up the musical side of devotion, I think Pagans should start to concentrate a bit on ritual dance. (Yes, I can really see THAT happening…)
12. I like music, and I like to make my own music. I’ve played the guitar (or at least, owned a guitar) for thirty years. I’ve never had a lesson, bar some evening classes for a while. I’m probably about Trinity Grade one, maybe two, judging by the ease with which I can play the music from their exam books. But I can pick out Irish Traditional Tunes on DADF#AD tuning, and I can play “Romanza” and even pick out “Feeling Groovy” (which is not that simple). It gives me great pleasure to play my guitar. My guitar is called “Caritas” and recently had to have a new “gearbox” (set of tuning pegs) when the old one broke. It was very upsetting when the old gearbox went. I’m very glad I was able to fix it. The new gearbox is much better than the original, and it’s easier to change tunings. Hey, see what I mean about obsessive?
13. I like music, and I like to make my own penny-whistles. I make them out of the kind of PVC tubing you can get in the DIY shops. There’s a website called “The Low-Tech Whistle Site” run by an Italian chap from Verona called Guido Gonzato. We had a sort of race to find the hole positions for Low D whistles. I won. He gave me a credit on the site. Low D whistles are an awkward size: for a while it has been my dream to make a walking-stick whistle, but the PVC on sale is always white, and I don’t want to look like a blind man with a white stick. A chap called Lewis at my Ceilidh, gave me a two-metre length of red PVC pipe. Now I have a red Low D walking-stick! That hasn’t stopped me making soprano whistles. I have a D and a C, and I’m thinking of making a Bb one. I have a repertoire of forty tunes, and a “pending” file of a dozen more that I’m learning. One day I may make it to an Irish Trad Session, if the AS doesn’t stop me.
14. I like to be happy and don’t like to be miserable. It sounds obvious, but it seems to me that there are some people who like it the other way around. It doesn’t make sense to me, unless they’re just continually angling for sympathy. Even then, it doesn’t make sense.
15. Fifty years of observation have convinced me that most people do the best they can. And most people can be nasty if you cross them, but most people can be wonderfully helpful if you approach them the right way. Approaching them the right way can be difficult. I also observe that there are a few stinkers whose sole reason for existence seems to be to make things more difficult for the rest of us. If you can, ignore the stinkers. They really hate that.