Is Sailor's Hornpipe (Popeye theme) really a hornpipe?

s1m0n · Post by **s1m0n** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:28 pm

Jonathan wrote:
s1m0n wrote:English hornpipes are not the same as Irish Hornpipes.
The tunes are different sure but the form is the same. After all this form of tune was introduced by English musicians and somewhere along the line became part of the tradition.

Totally unrelated to the above, but I read an interesting tidbit somewhere (may have be Gearoid O'hAllmhurain's Pocket Guide to Irish Music but not sure) stating that an earlier form of English hornpipe was actually in 3/2 or some such instead of 2/4 (notated 4/4 :-? ) as we know them today.

Yes, the original english hornpipe was in 3/2. This is a major reason why the form is not the same.

Bretton · Post by **Bretton** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:24 am

I assume there's a traditional Irish dance that is danced to Irish hornpipes? If so, is it anything like the steps danced to an English hornpipe?

...just curious...

-brett

boomerang · Post by **boomerang** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:31 am

If a man is in the forrest,and there are no women around and makes a statement, is he still wrong?

Regards David

RedFox · Post by **RedFox** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:56 am

Sailor's Hornpipe is a hornpipe. Would you play it as a reel?
Jonathan, check out O'Neill's for a hefty amount of hornpipes with a 2/4 time signature. Don't be so quick to dismiss your assessments. You might surprise yourself...

If you would like to be further confused, please do visit here:
http://mmcconeghy.com/RIMUSIC/hornpipe.htm

amar · Post by **amar** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:02 am

the humours of tullycrine is a actually a hornpipe, but on this cd:

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.a ... tyle=music

they play it as a reel is played. I really love the way they play it, it's how I try to play it as well.

Lambchop · Post by **Lambchop** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:03 am

boomerang wrote:If a man is in the forrest,and there are no women around and makes a statement, is he still wrong?
Regards David

Don't think you can get off that easily, buster!

dfernandez77 · Post by **dfernandez77** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:17 am

Lambchop wrote:
boomerang wrote:If a man is in the forrest,and there are no women around and makes a statement, is he still wrong?
Regards David
Don't think you can get off that easily, buster!

Are you insinuating that he is wrong in asking that question?

RedFox · Post by **RedFox** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:25 am

Yes, on Callan Bridge, Tullycrine (as it is known to those who play it often

) is played as a slow reel would be played.
Danu plays the hornpipe Peacock's Feather as a fast reel.
However, I tend to think that this does not diminish the fact or sur-fact that although a hornpipe is played as another tune rhythm that it makes it no less a hornpipe. Perhaps an interpretive hornpipe?
Sometimes, especially when learning by ear or from others, we learn a tune that we later find is actually a hornpipe, but that you learned it as a reel or vice versa. I don't think a clear line of definition exists.
It just may be another example of making the music their/our own.

Whitmores75087 · Post by **Whitmores75087** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:11 am

Redfox, you're HOT HOT HOT!

(Wanderer, plase don't tell my wife about this post)

Have a great Christmas all.

Unseen122 · Post by **Unseen122** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:49 pm

2/4 Hornpipes are all Hornpipes on GHBs. Look up Hornpipe on any Highland Bagpipe tune search and they will all be 2/4 with 16th notes, super annoying if you start on Whistle.

missy · Post by **missy** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:33 pm

we don't have an MP3 up of this (although we do include it on our CD) but we do "Fisher's" hornpipe in a "bluegrass" style. We got it from a crossover band, so honestly, it's NOT played as a hornpipe, or really bluegrass, either.

dlovrien · Post by **dlovrien** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 8:54 am

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

As long as there is no international regulatory body tightly governing the composition of the world's traditional music, people are just going to continue to break the rules. They're going to keep writing non-swingy, reel-sounding hornpipes and doing whatever the heck else they want, as if there weren't an exactly right and wrong way to do it. What is the world coming to??!?

Screeeech!!! · Post by **Screeeech!!!** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:11 am

dlovrien wrote:They're going to keep writing non-swingy, reel-sounding hornpipes and doing whatever the heck else they want, as if there weren't an exactly right and wrong way to do it. What is the world coming to??!?

Dare i say it, "Hornpipey sounding reels!"

anniemcu · Post by **anniemcu** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:44 am

dlovrien wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again...

As long as there is no international regulatory body tightly governing the composition of the world's traditional music, people are just going to continue to break the rules. They're going to keep writing non-swingy, reel-sounding hornpipes and doing whatever the heck else they want, as if there weren't an exactly right and wrong way to do it. What is the world coming to??!?

amar · Post by **amar** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:02 pm

RedFox wrote:Yes, on Callan Bridge, Tullycrine (as it is known to those who play it often ) is played as a slow reel would be played.
Danu plays the hornpipe Peacock's Feather as a fast reel.
However, I tend to think that this does not diminish the fact or sur-fact that although a hornpipe is played as another tune rhythm that it makes it no less a hornpipe. Perhaps an interpretive hornpipe?
Sometimes, especially when learning by ear or from others, we learn a tune that we later find is actually a hornpipe, but that you learned it as a reel or vice versa. I don't think a clear line of definition exists.
It just may be another example of making the music their/our own.

Is this really true? Is a hornpipe not a hornpipe because it's played in that jumpy way? I mean, if t.h.o.tullycrine was always played as on Callan Brigde, wouldn't it simply be a Reel, and not a Hornpipe?