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Re: I found a (live) bird.

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dfernandez77 wrote:
Cranberry wrote:Ok, I changed it. Hope I didn't hurt its feelings!
He's already reading the forum? I'll look forward to his first post. :D
In case anyone missed this or wouldn't mind revisiting it:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=17540

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Nanohedron wrote:Do starlings caw? To my knowledge I've never heard one, I just realised. I've only seen them in passing. But starlings do have stubby tails just like the fledgling pictured.
No, I don't think they caw. I knew a lady who had a nest of them in the exhaust vent that led from over the stove. She'd been hearing scratching and cheeping coming from it, so she removed the grease filter to have a look and was literally attacked by the indignant parents. As I recall, they sort of shrieked. She was unable to cook until they left the nest, at which point she cleaned the duct and put wire mesh over the supposedly bird-proof exit. (The birds had perching on the brick, holding up the little bird-proof trap door, and climbing in. Very talented.)

Starlings like nesting in secure hole-type locations, so I am thinking it's unlikely that this little one fell from a nest in the storm. Either he was out roaming about to begin with, or he's something else.

I'm waiting to hear Cran's account of how things are going. Cran?
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This is a fledgling starling (day 20):
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This is what my starling looked like when I found him (day 11):
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Starlings generally whistle and make all kinds of high-pitched noises.

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Is it just me, or don't the links work? I can't see your little friend.
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Peggy wrote:Is it just me, or don't the links work? I can't see your little friend.
Oh good - I thought I had something wrong with my computer for a minute!
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Update: I still have the bird because the rehab doesn't take starlings (that's what it is) or sparrows (or most non-native species for that matter). The vet's would put it to sleep, and there are no animal shelters anywhere near. I don't have a bird cage so I bought a huge plastic clothes hamper and made a big makeshift cage. It's eating A LOT of dog food, and doesn't know how to shut up. :roll:

I talked to some bird people and they told me not to release it because it's not native, that it would just add one more bird to the problem, so I guess it's going to be a pet.

I have to go back to Kentucky in a couple weeks (then for good in 08/05) so after that I don't know what I'm going to do with it, probably leave it with my cousin if I can't find somebody else who wants it.

Oh, I also got it to eat tomatoes and green beans. :)
Charlene wrote:
Peggy wrote:Is it just me, or don't the links work? I can't see your little friend.
Oh good - I thought I had something wrong with my computer for a minute!
I can't see it either.
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Post by Lorenzo »

I think the photos in Robin's post can be seen on this site:
http://www.starlingtalk.com/

http://www.starlingtalk.com/inthenest2.htm
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Lorenzo wrote:I think the photos in Robin's post can be seen on this site:
http://www.starlingtalk.com/

http://www.starlingtalk.com/inthenest2.htm
Thanks!
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Cranberry wrote: I talked to some bird people and they told me not to release it because it's not native, that it would just add one more bird to the problem, so I guess it's going to be a pet..
Cran, this is a popular comment from "bird people." They somehow think that every non-native bird they can exterminate is going to help somehow.

Frankly, if it wasn't illegal for them to go around bashing non-native species with clubs, each and every one of them would be doing it. Happily.

These birds are here, they're here now, they're here everywhere, and nothing anybody can do will get rid of them. The collection includes English sparrows, starlings, pigeons, an assortment of psittacines, and God only knows what else.

They didn't just fly in yesterday. They've been here a long, long time and they're EVERYWHERE.

"But they take food away from native species!" the bird do-gooders say. Well, you know what? They do. But there isn't a bird-do-gooder in the country that isn't living in a home built on land that used to support native species, but now cannot because the trees, the grasses, and everything else were stripped from it. And here, all those houses interfere with the water flow, which has ruined nesting areas and food supplies everywhere else.

Drive by their homes here and you'll see lovely green pesticide-drenched lawns, fuel-guzzling SUVs, chlorinated swimming pools, and an Orkin man busily killing everything that managed to live long enough to get up to the front door.

Do you really think that one little starling is going to have that much impact? Probably a heck of a lot less impact than one bird-do-gooder's annual automobile emissions, sewage output, garbage load, and pesticides.

If you are not in a position to care for that bird from now until the day it dies a natural death--possibly YEARS--then you should not begin keeping it now. Do not think that you can find someone to care for it later. They are far more likely to kill it or toss it outdoors, where it will be unable to survive after having been indoors with you.

Please put that bird outside quickly, so that it can learn to fend for itself and while it has a chance of being able to learn to socialize normally with its kind. You're not doing it, or nature, any favors keeping it.

Think about how miserable a life it's going to have in a cage. Would you want that for yourself? And then think about how irritated you are that it won't shut up.

It is NEVER going to shut up, Cran. NEVER. That's what birds do--they make noise. A lot of noise. If it irritates you now, it's only going to get worse.

Please, you did a nice thing by rescuing the bird, but you need to put it back outside now that the weather has gotten better. It'll be fine if you do that. Keeping it, when you are not prepared to take care of it, will condemn it to a life of misery. It deserves to have a life with other birds, with friends, and with mates. Please let it go.
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Peggy wrote:Cran, this is a popular comment from "bird people." They somehow think that every non-native bird they can exterminate is going to help somehow.

Frankly, if it wasn't illegal for them to go around bashing non-native species with clubs, each and every one of them would be doing it. Happily.
I got that impression as well.

I will let it go in the morning (or should I do it tonight? It's dark out...). It already sits on my shoulders (a bit hesitatingly, I have to put it there but it stays put) and takes food from my hands so I kinda fear it's too tame(?).

This is so complicated. The next time I find a bird I'm just going to let it be, especially if I can tell it's an "import" and everybody hates it. :roll:
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Cranberry wrote:I got that impression as well.

I will let it go in the morning (or should I do it tonight? It's dark out...). It already sits on my shoulders (a bit hesitatingly, I have to put it there but it stays put) and takes food from my hands so I kinda fear it's too tame(?).

This is so complicated. The next time I find a bird I'm just going to let it be, especially if I can tell it's an "import" and everybody hates it. :roll:
Take it outside in the morning and put it in his tree or the shrubs. Try to see any adult starlings or other babies. You might want to sit outside with it for a while to see who shows up to investigate. Bring some food out for it and some water, and keep an eye on it. If parents don't show up, you'll probably have to keep bringing it food for a while. Crickets (you can get them at pet shops) will help him make the transition to insect foods.

They don't get "tame" all that fast. He'll get over it eventually. He might remember you as a nice guy, but it usually doesn't go much farther than that. Unless you keep them indoors.

If you do have to keep it indoors until it gets a little bigger, don't handle it, don't talk to it, and don't interact with it. No petting, no perching on shoulders. Just put the food in and go away. He'll do fine.
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Cranberry wrote:Update: I still have the bird because the rehab doesn't take starlings (that's what it is) or sparrows (or most non-native species for that matter). The vet's would put it to sleep, and there are no animal shelters anywhere near. I don't have a bird cage so I bought a huge plastic clothes hamper and made a big makeshift cage. It's eating A LOT of dog food, and doesn't know how to shut up. :roll:

I talked to some bird people and they told me not to release it because it's not native, that it would just add one more bird to the problem, so I guess it's going to be a pet.
The introduction of starlings and European house sparrows has had a devastating effect on our native bluebird population.

<img src="http://www.birdsofoklahoma.net/EasternBluebird0811.jpg" width=200>
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I don't know anything about their "brain pans" but these birds attacked the children.
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Cran,

Now look at what you've started! :D

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050518/D8A5IBTO0.html
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Peggy wrote:
Cranberry wrote: I talked to some bird people and they told me not to release it because it's not native, that it would just add one more bird to the problem, so I guess it's going to be a pet..
Cran, this is a popular comment from "bird people." They somehow think that every non-native bird they can exterminate is going to help somehow.

Frankly, if it wasn't illegal for them to go around bashing non-native species with clubs, each and every one of them would be doing it. Happily.

These birds are here, they're here now, they're here everywhere, and nothing anybody can do will get rid of them. The collection includes English sparrows, starlings, pigeons, an assortment of psittacines, and God only knows what else.
By the same logic, all White, Black, Hispanic, Chinese, Japanese, etc. people in the USA should get out quick before they ruin the place for the indigenous Native American population.

D'Oh. :wink:
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