Eisenhower said what????

jGilder · Post by **jGilder** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:42 pm

Dwight David Eisenhower, on November 8, 1954 wrote:Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.

Source: The Presidential Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower

Jayhawk · Post by **Jayhawk** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:41 pm

I've recently seen some great Eisenhower quotes...especially his warning in his farewell speech against the industrial military complex (I believe he called it the "iron triangle"):

"the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

Another great Eisenhower quote: "Every gun that is made, every warship that is launched, every rocket fired, signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

Notice what state Eisenhower's (a native Texan) presidential library is in? He apparently had some pretty strong feelings about Texas.

Eric

OnTheMoor · Post by **OnTheMoor** » Fri May 13, 2005 1:57 pm

I think jGilder should get his own forums. Not that his threads particularly anger or irritate me, just because there seem to be quite a few of them. (I haven't counted them, just a general feeling I get)

PJ · Post by PJ » Fri May 13, 2005 2:01 pm

Still, it can be fun to have someone stir things up from time to time. When stirring things up, this is probably the best place (i.e. the pub, as opposed to the whistle, flute or pipes forums, as I'm slowly learning).

jGilder · Post by **jGilder** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:38 pm

OnTheMoor wrote:I think jGilder should get his own forums. Not that his threads particularly anger or irritate me, just because there seem to be quite a few of them. (I haven't counted them, just a general feeling I get)

Interesting. Let's see, to check out your hypothesis let’s do a random sampling of thread starters since I arrived here at the C&F.

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Threads initiated since December 05:

jGilder - 11

IRTradRU? - 25

Cranberry - 51

OnTheMoor - 9

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hmmmm....

dfernandez77 · Post by **dfernandez77** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:42 pm

Great quote jGlider. I've been outraged for 5 years and it has netted about as much effect as a teacup in a tempest (fractured cliche intentional).

Jerry Freeman · Post by **Jerry Freeman** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:50 pm

I think JGilder should have his own syndicated radio show!

Best wishes,
Jerry

MurphyStout · Post by **MurphyStout** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:57 pm

No, what IKE said was beware of the military industrial complex. We sure listened....

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri May 13, 2005 2:59 pm

I wish we lived in a Christian pacifist communist country.

The Amish would fit this definition perfectly if they were their own nation.

I read in a book on the Amish that in the 400 years that they have lived in the United States, there has never been a single recorded homicide, and they take care of every member of their society and they love Jesus.

dfernandez77 · Post by **dfernandez77** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:08 pm

"Christian communist" is an oxymoron.

I wish we had a democratic, secular, free country.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:11 pm

dfernandez77 wrote:"Christian communist" is an oxymoron.

No, it's not. Mabey I could or should have said "Christian socialism?" Whatever the Amish have in terms of their taking care of all members of their society, avoiding violence at all costs, hard work, and genuine communal self-reliance (they accept no kind of government assistance, even social security), I would like to have that for the entire country.

missy · Post by **missy** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:25 pm

Cranberry wrote:
"......there has never been a single recorded homicide, and they take care of every member of their society and they love Jesus."

Cran - while there's a lot of aspects of the Amish and Mennonite culture to admire, they aren't without their faults, too. I once knew a sheriff in an Amish area of Ohio that had some very hard problems with the child abuse in Amish families that were reported to him.
Here's an article from Lancaster PA about some of these problems in Amish and Mennonite families:
http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/local/4/7654

Again - just as there are many great RC priests, there are great Amish and Mennonite families. But, just as the hierachy of the RC Church has contributed to abuse by covering it up, so has the Amish and Mennonite communities in a lot of cases.

Missy

dfernandez77 · Post by **dfernandez77** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:25 pm

Oh! you mean like a Christian communal society, right?

Does that mean the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and Taoists have to leave?

rasp · Post by **rasp** » Fri May 13, 2005 3:48 pm

jGilder wrote:
Dwight David Eisenhower, on November 8, 1954 wrote:Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
Source: The Presidential Papers of Dwight David Eisenhower

i think he is dead.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Fri May 13, 2005 4:20 pm

I know that the Mennonites have problems, missy. All people do. One of my newer friends is a Quaker who was born and raised in a more conservative Mennonite Church. Anabaptism is so interesting to me. That's a major part of the reason I am learning German. All people have problems, I guess it's the ideals of pacifism, communal living, and all the members of the given society supporting and caring for one another other.

dfernandez77 wrote:Oh! you mean like a Christian communal society, right?

Yes. Like the Bruderhof.

dfernandez77 wrote:Does that mean the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, and Taoists have to leave?

Well, of course. And they have to take all the blacks, homosexuals, women, Democrats, abortion doctors, hispanics, and everybody who doesn't own at least five shot guns with them.

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